Going on holiday this year? The following might be useful to you.
In the case of any problems when travelling is not uncommon for people to give family or friends details of their flight numbers and hotels.
In a nanny state your guardian is the state. And it likes to know all the details about your flight in case of a problem. 60 bits of details, or 74 if you are a child. However if you are the pilot in charge of the plane (or ship or train) and responsible for all the passengers the state doesn’t care you about much only holding 15 pieces of information. It doesn’t really like you knowing this and hides it away on its website.
Normally when you tell your family about your flight its so they can find out that you arrived safely at your destination. However when you tell the state your flight details it’s because the state wants to keep your information in case you might turn out to be a terrorist within five years of your last trip.
Passengers:
- Name as it appears on the reservation
- Place of birth
- Address
- Sex
- Nationality
- Any contact telephone number
- E-mail address
- Type of travel document held
- Number of travel document held
- Expiry date of travel document held
- Issuing state for travel document held
- Issue date of travel document held
- Where a travel document is not held, the type of identification relied upon together with the number, epiry date and issuing state of that identification
- Travel status of passenger, which indicates whether reservation is confirmed or provisional and whether the passenger has checked in
- The number of pieces and description of any baggage carried
- Any documentation provided to the passenger in respect of his baggage
- Date of intended travel
- Ticket number
- Date and place of ticket issue
- Seat number allocated
- Seat number requested
- Check-in time, regardless of method
- Date on which reservation was made
- Identify of any person who made the reservation
- Any travel agent used
- Any other name that appears on the passenger’s reservation
- Number of passengers on the same reservation
- Complete travel itinerary for passengers on the same reservation
- The fact that a reservation in respect of more than than one passenger has been divided due to a change in itinerary for one or more but not all of the passengers
- Code share details [the name of any other carrier who will carry the passenger]
- Method of payment used to purchase ticket or make a reservation
- Details of the method of payment used, including the number of any credit, debit or other card used
- Biling address
- Booking reference number, passenger name record locator and other data locator used by the carrier to locate the passenger within its information system
- The class of transport reserved
- The fact that the reservation is in respect of a one-way journey
- All historical changes to the reservation
- General remarks
- Other Service Information (OSI)
- System Service Information (SSI) and System Service Request information (SSR)
- Identity of individual who checked the passenger in for the voyage or flight or international service
- Outbound Indicator, which identifies where a passenger is to travel on to from the united kingdom
- Inbound Connection Indicator, which identifies where a passenger started his journey before he travels onto the united kingdom
- The fact that the passenger is travelling as part of a group
- The expiry date of any entry clearance held in respect of the united kingdom
- Card number and type of any frequent flyer or similar scheme used
- Automated Ticket Fare Quote (ATFQ), which indicates the fare quoted and charged
- The vehicle registration number of any vehicle in which the passenger is travelling and which is being transported by ship or by aircraft or by through train or shuttle train and, if the vehicle has a trailer, the trailer registration number.
- The flight number, ship name, train service number or carrier running number
- Name of carrier
- Nationality of ship
- Scheduled departure date
- Scheduled departure time
- Scheduled arrival date
- Scheduled arrival time
- Place and country from which the voyage or flight or international service departed immediately prior to the arrival into the United Kingdom
- Place in the United Kingdom into which the the voyage or flight or international service first arrives from overseas
- Any place in the United Kingdom to which a voyage or flight or international service which has arrived into the United Kingdom from oversea will subsequently go
- Number of passengers on service
- The fact that the passenger is under the age of eighteen and unaccompanied and if so -
- Age
- Languages spoken
- Any special instructions provided
- The name of any departure agent who will receive instructions regarding the care of the passenger
- The name of any transit agent who will receive instructions regarding the care of the passenger
- The name of any arrival agent who will receive instructions regarding the care of the passenger
The following details in respect of the guardian on departure - - Name
- Address
- Any contact telephone number
- Relationship to passenger
The following details in respect of the guardian on arrival - - Name
- Address
- Any contact telephone number
- Relationship to passenger
Crew:
- Full name
- Gender
- Date of birth
- Nationality
- Type of travel document held
- Number of travel document held
- Expiry date of travel document held
- Issuing State of travel document held
- Where a travel document is not held, the type of identification relied upon together with the number,
expiry date and issuing State of that identification - The vehicle registration number of any vehicle in which the member of crew is travelling and which is
being transported by ship or by aircraft or by through train or shuttle train and, if the vehicle has a trailer, the
trailer registration number - The number of crew on board the ship or aircraft or through train or shuttle train
- The fact that the person is a member of crew
- In relation to crew on a ship—
- The place of birth of the member of crew
- The rank, rating or equivalent of the member of crew.
Information from here.
SBML
I'm a oldish lad who is sad that so much of life is making him mad.
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As a chap what is long in the tooth, I wonder if the State could enable people like me to access this information readily and easily. It would save me a great deal of time and trouble checking and double checking all the paperwork.
You can put in a Subject Access Request. Only £10. Though I don’t think that was what you were thinking of.
This is beyond ridiculous!!! I wonder if the same thing applies to the Elites every time they take a biz trip?
and Hi from Panama!! (actually traveling in Europe right now)
Correct me if I’m wrong but if you fly a private plane (or are a passenger in a private business jet) all this information is not recorded. You still have to go through customs/immigration.
Either TPTB think business people who can afford their own planes aren’t security risks (which by implication means that us plebs are always a security risk) or they think that terrorists can’t afford trips in private jets.
Yes, after all, the 9/11 hijackers were all poor goatherders, radicalised by poverty and…
Oh. Wait.
All passengers on Private Jets have to register with the Boarder Agency at least 24 hours before departure, ditto all inbound flights to the UK.
To be honest I’m not sure I care very much. Is the information used for anything? Only in retrospect such as if a bomb goes off or if HMG is keeping an eye on someone specific. Nobody at MI5 gives a monkey’s where I go on holiday even thought they may have that information in a database.
To be honest I don’t care too much what information is held as the information is already held by the travel agents, the airline, my credit card company, etc.
What I do care about is that they are holding it for reasons that are illogical and don’t actually mean anything and that they are holding it one place. All that information, for 200 million people per year, is a lot of chaff. And in that chaff you expect the security “experts” to find their needles? No way. All the people who work at the operation center in Wythenshaw are security vetted, but like CRBs and ISAs it doesn’t say anything about the staff might do in the future. All that information in one place could easily be used to create false identities. And what if a mistake occurs (the data is input by humans in the first place), what then?
The implication of storing all the data is that everyone is a potential criminal.
Not really sure where to start with this one.
*shakes head sadly*
Luckily SBML has more patience than I do!
Tomorrow morning I could go out of my flat and sit next to the road and note down the number plate of each passing car, the make and model and colour of the car and a description of the driver. If you were one of those drivers would you be worried about an intrusion into your private life?
I am not worried about the collection of reams of data, apart from the cost to me as a taxpayer. If the information turned out to be being used to measure against carbon points or some such other nonsense THEN I would be annoyed.
It seems to me that lots of people need to have a cup of tea and a calm down.
Despite not being worried yourself, you’ve highlighted two of my biggest concerns:
1) To paraphrase your comment: If the information turned out [in the future] to be being used to measure INSERT OBJECTIONABLE DATA USAGE or some such other nonsense THEN I would be annoyed. It’s a bit late by then…
2) As you say, it costs money (and as it’s public money, part of it was mine at one point).
And don’t even get me started on the inability of UK Gov to keep its data secure. Imagine if, during the 80′s, the IRA got its mitts on a database containing people’s address and occupation. You may think this is a far fetched scenario; these days, I don’t.
As Tractor Gent says below, function creep. According to news the database is going EU wide with other countries having the ability to examine the UK database. So everyone is now going to have to worry about other countries whose judicial system is not fair or whose police are corrupt grabbing people under the European Arrest Warrant and via the Passenger Name Record database.
Function Creep. Once the data is there you can guarantee that some busybody will think up a new use for it, and not for our benefit either.
The Information Commissioner is supposed to keep it in check but he is resource-limited and has relatively blunt incisors.
It’s the fact that it probably ISN’T used for anything that concerns me because of the disproportionate costs involved. Like all these expensive surveillance cameras that we cannot afford to maintain or monitor, we’re gathering vast quantities of data at huge expense to the taxpayer and considerable inconvenience to the largely law-abiding psassengers.
There appears to be no consistency either: the last time I travelled via Dover, my passport wasn’t checked at all, let alone fed into the database, whereas, sailing into Newhaven it can take up to an hour just to reach the passport readers. And don’t get me started on the differences between flying to France and taking Eurostar.. Suffice to say, there appears to be a belief that it is more likely for somebody to board a flight at 30,000 feet and 600 mph than a train at zero feet and 180mph.
The Borders Agency is just a vast job creation scheme.
Easy – don’t use aeroplanes. This simple plan also saves you from the living hellholes sometimes referred to as airports.
They store it even if you go by planes, trains, and automobiles or ships, though the amount of detail varies according to the travel medium. See items 48, 49, 51.
Except that the e-borders programme is in total disarry. Raytheon, the prime company who was suppling and implementing this e-borders prog was sacked last year.
Oh, and foreigners aren’t on it either :-
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/security-management/2010/04/08/eu-data-laws-force-e-borders-compromise-40088561/
An ‘eBorder’. Not an actual border, at which people can be denied entry, but an ‘eBorder’, which is useful for collecting shitloads of useless data but not much else.
Oh, and if one person books for a group only that persons details relating to their address etc are taken. The rest of group only supply passport details when travelling … nothing more.
My Bulgarian wife’s friends came to UK last month. One of the group had lost her passport at home so she used her friends passport. Booked her flight and had a lovely time here in the UK and then went home.
l also seem to remember that there was no record of Assange coming into UK?
We are talking here about a government computer system though, folks … when has ever one of these worked?
After successfully killing off most industry, the socialists are now intent on destroying one of the last viable industries-tourism. The USA is just as bad.
I fail to see what is enchanting about tourism these days, once air travel had some cachet, it has since been reduced to cattle-class, most hotels are bed-bug infested hellholes, actual airfares can be multiplied by a factor of four or five the advertised rate to account for taxes. Short haul flights that used to take a couple of hours now are all-day ordeals involving ridiculous “security” checks. Count me out, I am content to stay home.
I do wish our overlords were subjected to these petty needless irritations every time they travelled.
Tourism wouldn’t be much of an industry if only a few people could afford it, would it?!
Would you fly if it acquired some new “cachet”?
I don’t think socialists are killing off tourism. I think you’ll find it was the Bush Republican government that started this off by requiring all this information available from the client, sorry, compliant, I mean co-operative ally states before any flier could even get on a plane to visit USA. We, as yapping lapdogs, went along. It means I won’t ever visit USA again, sadly.
Eurostar is efficient, and comfortable with more toilets than an aeroplane, and European trains are much better than ours, and you get to see the countryside. I guess it will be Europe from now on.
Blue eyes-I fail to see where I suggest restricting travel, I am however in favour of removing most of the”security” infrastructure and deleting the associated government taxes, that would surely boost tourism revenues.
Gladiolys-You have come to the correct conclusion, boycott travel to countries that insist on petty and annoying bureaucracy. Without getting into a discussion about GWB (whom I also disagreed with on this subject) I stand by my statement that socialists continue to make air-travel almost unbearable (for clarity I regard the camoron as a socialist.) You may wish to take your Eurostar trip quickly I fear recent events will convince our overlords to impose an equally onerous system on international train travel soon.
Finally, only at Mme Raccoon’s bar can you find common cause with “Fidel” while berating socialist government.
I’m with Cascadian on this, there is absolutely no pleasure in travelling by Air these days. It’s a necessary evil to be endured in order to get quickly (in theory!) from one place to another. I don’t know why the sweating mongs all feel the need to behave like stampeding cattle, and what is so incredibly important about being first off the bloody plane anyway?
They are good little sheeple, and they need to be first in line at the baggage carousel. Line-ups (queques in your parlance) are obviously a very important part of the tourist experience.
As a non-EU citizen, being first off the plane means I don’t have to queue up in the immigration line. Also the officers are actually friendly as they haven’t seen anyone for the past hour, and don’t ask any questions.
Watch the ‘Liquid Bomb Plot’ all will be revealed.
Passengers aka ‘self loading freight’ by the airline industry.
@Saul … don’t think l’ll bother thanks. The security circus annoys me enough as it is.
It’s not a circus, this is serious stuff and you would be advised to take it more seriously.
If we accept the premise that the government needs more information about its citizens to better manage society, then I would argue the same is true the other way round.
We, the citizens, need more information about our government to better manage our democracy.
And if greater transparency is required for both the citizens and government then I would also argue that corporations must also become more transparent.
For me the debate is not about data collection by the government; the debate should be about us becoming a more transparent society as a whole.
I recommend reading “The Transparent Society” by David Brin.
If you are a private pilot and fly just within the UK, you have to carry photo ID in order to validate your flying licence. You can be asked to show your papers by the Stasi (UKBA) at any time whilst flying/pre/post flighting.
Alternatively, pitch up at the Folkestone Eurotunnel site and pay cash for a ticket.
Passengers not manifested, only the reg of the car is recorded, not the person behind the wheel, not the others in the vehicle, nothing.
Having recently had my first opportunity to deal with some pukka pikeys, paying cash for everything seems to be a remarkably sensible way of dealing with life in general !
It might not seem much but what is disturbing on the website is the following statement requiring sufficient details for identification. If name and address and perhaps d.o.b. is enough for courts…………..
Making a Subject Access Request
Anyone can make an SAR for information that we hold about them – you do not need any special skills or qualifications. To make an SAR, you must provide:
a cheque or postal order for £10, payable to ‘The Home Office Accounting Officer’; and
sufficient personal information to enable us to uniquely identify you – for example, a copy of your passport or driver’s licence, original utility bills, and your Home Office reference number if you have one.
If you do not provide these, or if the ‘pay’ line of the cheque or postal order is not completed correctly, we will reject your application and return it with a letter setting out what is missing. Your request will not be processed.