Two fine young women, photographed in time-honoured fashion with the ubiquitous smiling policeman outside the home of the British Prime Minister. It is a scene impossible today; the days when disagreeing with the prevailing politics meant writing a letter in green ink to your local newspaper – whilst not forgetting to doff your cap to the vicar en route to the post box, have gone forever.
Today you must have an ‘event’ to mark your displeasure. You must destroy another human being, preferably several at the same time, to ensure that your voice is heard. It matters not that several of those humans being might have been of the same political hue as yourself – who knows what political persuasions could be sitting next to each other on the No 16 bus in the morning – the entire membership of the Libertarian Party, though they would probably be in a taxi.
What matters is that people should be ‘shocked’ by what you have done, prepared to make concessions to you in order that you shouldn’t be tempted to do it again. For we could all do it; there is nothing innately difficult about carrying a bomb into a crowded place, nothing intellectual about figuring out how to make that bomb. You merely need to believe that seeing the flag of which you approve flying over the public buildings that you frequent is more important than the life of total strangers.
Dolours Price and her sister Marian never stood a chance to think otherwise; they had been groomed since childhood to believe that unnatural practices were acceptable, normal even. That they should abuse their fellow human beings as their Father had, and their Grandfather before that. That sort of grooming is lauded in some circles, eulogised in song, feted by Hollywood celebrities, immortalised in art.
Price’s links to the IRA go back to before her birth. During the 1950s, her father, Albert, was interned by the Irish Government in the Curragh Camp, alongside Ruairi O Bradaigh, who would go on to become president of Sinn Fein and later of Republican Sinn Fein. Her aunt, Bridie Dolan, also an active republican, lost her sight and both hands after hand grenades she was handling exploded prematurely.
Dolours was not the first to believe that blasting human beings to smithereens was a reasonable response to the Irish political conundrum. That dubious honour belonged to James McCormick in 1939. He was bombing Coventry when the Luftwaffe was just a twinkle in Hitler’s eye. Dolours was the first woman though.
It was not only the terrible injuries inflicted on 200 Londoners outside the Old Bailey that frosty March morning in 1973, nor the death of one man that the Guardian this morning only grudgingly admit may have been the result of being caught in the bomb blast, that shocked us. It was the sheer disbelief that this carnage was the handiwork of two women.
We never quite allowed ourself to believe that it was intentionally so. When she tried to starve herself to death, we fed her. When she complained that she was suffering psychological injuries as a result of being so fed, we let her go home. There she became an alcoholic and a drug addict -
Price had been counseled for depression and alcoholism for more than a decade after being convicted of using forged prescriptions to acquire drugs in 2001.
She married the Belfast bus driver’s son, turned quintessential Hollywood ‘Irishman’, Stephen Rea, along the way. Stephen Rea was to become the ‘voice’ of Gerry Adams, when Margaret Thatcher stopped the BBC from hanging onto Adams’ measly words ‘live’ on the six o’clock news. Before she and Stephen divorced, she gave birth to two sons, Danny and Oscar – have they too been groomed to relish the thought of leaving parts of human limbs hanging from trees several metres away from their owner’s body as a political solution?
One of the ironical repercussions of Dolours’ girls ‘day out in London with fellow bombers’, is that today, the politicians in Downing Street are hidden away behind high gates. No longer can teenage girls be photographed next to the front door of Downing Street – we are more divorced from our politicians than we ever were in 1973. We are angrier than we ever were. We have less voice than we ever did.
Hundreds of people have lain in hospital beds in agony and anguish to achieve this result. Too many have died.
Dolours and her sister Marian were released from prison on ‘compassionate grounds’ in 1980. A Royal Prerogative of Mercy, which included a licence relating to the life sentence they received for their part in the Old Bailey bombings. Marian is now back in prison, recalled under that licence for continuing to take part in dissident IRA activities. There are calls for renewed ‘mercy’ for her.
Last night, Dolours died peacefully in her own bed. In Belfast, Northern Ireland. Still part of the United Kingdom.
Gerry Adams said: ”Dolours had a very tough life, like many people.
Nowhere near as tough as the life she inflicted on those who held different political views from her. Some would say – not tough enough.
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Nothing like reminding the Brits of the religious divide, and as we can see it takes only a flag.
With 2013 the year they expect to remove children by the thousand, especially so after the room tax kicks in in April, families on benefits are going to be torn asunder as they fail to upkeep their rents. I see anger in the future.
And just to keep the eyes of the masses elsewhere, why lets get those Northern Irish to remind us of sectarianism, and who knows, it might just spill onto the mainland.
Price helped kidnap mother of ten Jean McConville, whom the IRA then murdered and secretly buried. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_McConville
History is such bunk that I had no personal recollection of the woman, but did note that Downing St. was fenced off in 1920, but then in 1922 after the Irish Free State was agreed, access to the public was restored. We had no such Peace Dividend after the 1980′s and as your piece makes clear, with the climate of violence that surrounds “Civil Rights” these days, nor will we ever be allowed to return. It’s a particular shame because once upon a time it was a neat shortcut to Horse Guards Parade…..
Ms Price is interestingly implicated in another matter of “Historic Allegations”, so trendy just now.
http://bostoncollegesubpoena.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/adams-rejects-dolours-price-claims-over-ira/
Re: “Ms Price is interestingly implicated in another matter of “Historic Allegations”, so trendy just now”
I thought for a moment that link was going to reveal she’d made allegations against Jimmy Savile too, lol
She should have died in a prison hospital. Through I’d have preferred to see the murdering bitch gunned down by the SAS like the three scum in Gibraltar…
…the problem with gunning down IRA soldiers is someone somewhere will compose a rebel song about them before the bullet casings have cooled..and by the time the government enquiry about it sat there would be a Hollywood film. In other words, right or wrong, she would have become a martyr…an Irish Ensslin was just about the last symbol that Ireland needed or needs.
“soldiers”? My father was a soldier, 1939-46 (RA & LRDG since you ask).Even when operating behind the lines he wore identifiable uniform and avoided civilian casualties. The IRA were not “soldiers” in any meaningful sense.
Irish terrorists are not soldiers they are murdering sum, I disagree with gunning them down when hanging is a better alternative.
Prisoners rarely die in the prison these days. Even the most violent will get compassionate parole or transfer to the local hospice. Myra Hindley was a rarity in this regard.
Correction! Even Hindley died in hospital.
She didn’t get a long enough sentence.
I feel so sad for the people who were injured and lost their lives as a result if these bombings and their families and loved ones. I also have alot of sympathy for the Catholics in Northern Ireland who suffered poverty and discrimination, it would have been really hard for them, but I don’t think violence and killing people is the answer, no one wins, and I don’t believe that is how the blacks in America managed get their civil rights…
That said, you would have thought the government would have stepped in and done/changed something before it got to the stage were some people felt that things were so bad they had no choice but to resort to such drastic violence, wouldn’t you?
I suppose there has been a culture of violence since history began though. How did the British conquer all the countries they conquered in the first place?
I think it was the British government that stirred up the whole Protestant/Catholic thing in Ireland back in the 18th century in a bid to stop the whole of Ireland rising up against them, after the plantations that happened from the 16th century onwards, where the Irish Catholic landowners were replaced with British Protestant ones, in order to use the land to grow crops for Britain.
The whole Catholic/Protestant situation in Ireland and the fact that Catholics were being discriminated against should have been nipped in the bud long before it could ever have got to this stage and so many ordinary people, that had nothing to do with any of it would suffer…
I think sometimes us English have little idea of the differences to be found in Britain.
Never been to Ireland but as a soft southerner I did a three year spell working in Springburn, not the loveliest part of Glasgow. Admittedly a long time ago, in the ’70′s.
Forget the industrial problems, they were dire, but I had to ask what FKB and FTP sprayed on every bridge meant. I was also shocked to find the high street of the small town I lived in to be taken over by a regiment of very intimidating marchers, just like the newsreels of NI. And the thinly veiled questioning to find out one’s religious preference.
Soon after my arrival at the factory, one of the hands approached me, apparently delegated to ask where I was from. I told her; ‘where’s that?’ she said. ‘it’s in Berkshire’, I said, ‘to the west of London’. ‘you’re English!’, she said, didn’t quite spit, and stamped off.
Binao,
I feel like i’ve met that woman, but it’s more likely people in Glasgow are just all the same -sheep.
Not all of them, just the really lowest class ones (which there are an abundance of) – All exactly the same, like clones.
To be fair Lucozade, I wasn’t badly treated. I do think when you’re on someone else’s turf you have to adapt your outlook. Even the implied threat in the feral child’s offer to ‘mind your car for a pound mister’.
I haven’t forgotten a meeting with a quite senior union guy. He looked round the table at the English (of course) management, and said ‘look, I know you think of us all as neds, but…. ‘; and he was right, that’s exactly what the English mindset was. Don’t think it helped. Seen it in other countries too.
Binao,
“look, I know you think of us all as ned’s, but…”
Only the ones that go out their way to act like ned’s I dare say – it is optional, lol…
Yeah I don’t think the woman was trying to make you feel bad as such, just completely ignorant to any culture or differences outside her own little Glasgow, ned bubble.
I met a boy who’d been staying in Glasgow for a few years but had come up from the south of England, probably near where your from, and he kept slipping out of his normal accent and into this broad neddy Glasgow accent, complete with all the slang of the day.
It was hilarious, but all the ned’s seemed to think his neddy voice was the ‘normal’ and his other one was ‘pure weird’ – you’d think they’d never been out of Glasgow before. Like showing anything other than complete ignorance is just completely unacceptable.
Still glad you enjoyed it through there.
Dolours Price (21 June 1951 – 23 January 2013)… No great loss to anyone.
Pity she didn’t ‘catch a bullet’ when on active service for the PIRA. Her sister is, quite rightly, banged up at the moment and long may it remain so. If she had her way there would be no peace process (or what passes for one in that benighted part of the UK) and whatever the imperfections of the present state of affairs, that cannot be right.
Good riddance!
The Irish (and the Scots for that matter) were, and still are, a tribal culture. Significant research in the US into black, and particularly gang, culture has revealed that, rather than being based on some spurious African heritage, the black slaves copied their white neighbours (immigrant Irish and Scots – think feuds, etc.). So, if it wasn’t religion, it would be something else. (I won’t mention the fact that both cultures/nationalities exhibit the zeitgeist of transforming any member of their own nationality who is either rich/powerful or does something they disagree with into an Englishman, whilst anyone with any link, however vague or fleeting, who does something they approve of is automatically a true born Scot/Irishman. *!&$*s)
The thing about Ireland which annoys me the most (after the murders of innocents, the hypocrisy,….) is that Britain gave them everything they asked for. All but a tiny corner to allow the Irish Protestants to have somewhere for themselves. They, and the British, built an industrial power-house. At which point all the Catholics moved there to get jobs and a better life, none being available in ‘Free’ Ireland. Then? They start demanding the results of all that Protestant and British capital and labour for themselves (Let’s also remember why British troops even went there in the first place. To stop the Protestants from wiping out the Catholics in protecting themselves. The first action on arriving was to disarm the B-specials. Catholics only exist in NI because British troops saved them). They were. and are, nothing more than grubby, greedy gangsters (as anyone with any experience of the ‘troubles’ knows already). They should have never been given some vague political legitimacy – criminals should be treated as criminals! Hang all the murdering scum!
By coincidence, much of paragraph 2 could equally apply to the mass Muslim influx into Britain.
So True! So True!
I shed no tears for this woman, may she and all her ilk rot in the deepest circles of hell
I tried not to (honest), but I have to add the fact that whilst they want ‘nothing to do with Britain’ they still show a remarkable ability to access the free accommodation, health care, education and employment here (all whilst complaining bitterly of something which happened in C16). Then of course they send most of their disaffected, useless, alcoholic, drug users, ‘travellers’ or anyone else they want to dump (Ireland has one of the lowest mental health problems in the developed world. Why? Because after six months they send/come here for free benefits).
I hope the Scots do vote for independence. Because then, at least, we can send all their unemployed, alcoholics, etc. back. With the Irish, Scots (and most of the EUs and worlds feckless) gone we’d be so much better off. I’m not holding my breath though.
Rant over. Climbing off soap-box and going for a lie down
Hold hard – don’t forget they’re all in the cuddly, compassionate EU, so we have no power to send any of them back anyway……… unless we get that referendum and get the right result, of course.
Sorry, I’m probably wrong (as usual), but if the Scots do decide on independence wouldn’t that mean ‘The UK’ no longer exists? And as such any and all Treaties are null and void requiring renegotiation for admission etc.? Or am I being hopelessly optimistic again?
Don’t shatter my illusions – it’s all I have left! Oh, and “Hold hard” onto what exactly ;-p
If the Scots leave (and that’s a big ‘if’), there still exists the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Re: “I hope the Scots do vote for independence. Because then, at least, we can send all their unemployed, alcoholics, etc back.”
I take it the English will be wanting theirs back too then?
P.s Scotland and Ireland will still be part of the E.U so I wouldn’t hold your breath, lol
Engineer
But don’t the treaties list ‘The United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland’? If ‘Able and Sons’ signed a contract and then ‘the Sons’ set up an independent company, wouldn’t all have to renegotiate? Just asking?
Lucozade
Oh absolutely! Just wondering how many pissed Londoners there are staggering around Glasgow though. Most ‘expatriate English’ in Scotland are of the ‘employed in the area’ , retired or ‘lifestyle’ types I’d guess (admittedly my limited opinion only). With the many attacks against English throughout Scotland as well as the threats of tax and other actual and proposed restrictions, apocryphal I know, but have you noticed the recent (last couple of years) significant rise of high-end and lifestyle houses on the market in Scotland? (again admittedly some/most may be due the general poor financial climate and the ‘apocryphal’ exodus includes not only English, but foreign and Scots ‘Rich’).
Do I have issues with Irish/Scots? Not only no, but Hell no! the vast majority who come here do so to work and contribute as they always have. I have issues with hypocrisy. To scream and shout about wanting/demanding ‘independence’, no contact, no representation, etc. from England – and then to use England to fund your poor, indigent, etc., to have more representation than most of the rest of England (compare/contrast the numbers and power of Scotlands representation with that of, say, Cumbria) is hypocritical, is it not?
Able,
I don’t know, there does seem to be whole villages down near the boarders (I say the boarders because I haven’t really been in the north of Scotland for any subsantial period of time or long enough to pass comment) that seem to be full of English people, perhaps as many as there are Scottish people, Glasgow seems to be an exception, but there seems to be English people everywhere else in Scotland. Most work I suppose, or have a partner that does if they’ve got kids, i’ve met the odd one thats been out of work occasionally, and the odd one who hasn’t worked in years (i.e my auntie), but I would have thought the reason most people move anywhere is to either get a job or because their wife, husband, girlfriend or boyfriend stays there?
I don’t think all Scottish people want ‘independence’, especially if they’ve really thought about it. I don’t think the type of people that are permenately on the dole are the type of people who bother to go to the polling station or even registering to vote anyway though, so they’ll probably not get their say.
I think heard somewhere they where thinking of lowering the voting age to 16 for that purpose, which seems like a dodgy trick if you ask me, i.e, maybe we can get daft 16 year olds who don’t know what to vote for to think voting for independence is a good idea…? Hmmm…
You can spot the logic there a mile off…
I don’t get what difference it makes whether your on the dole in England or Scotland anyway? Does the money come from a different place?
Able – it didn’t seem to stop the world turning when Yugoslavia and Czeckoslovakia split up, nor did it seem to be much of a problem when East and West Germany glued themselves back together again.
If Scotland splits off, everybody will cope somehow. The United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland will bumble on. Scotland will bumble on. No doubt diplomatic relations would be fairly good. I dare say there would be a bit of paperwork to do ammending various contracts, agreements and so on, but nothing beyond the wit of humans.
P.s “Does the money come from a different place”
I know it comes from the tax payer but does ot make a difference where abouts in the country your signing on from?
Lucozade
I’m not sure about whole villages but, living just the other side of the border, personally I think it shows the futility/naivite of these arbitrary geopolitical dividing lines. Talking to anyone originally from both sides of the border and the chances are they ‘may’ state they are Scots or English, but they ‘will’ state they are a borderer (think Reivers).
The money? I’ll bow to superior knowledge but I’d guess it, funded by taxation, it comes from all over, though the bulk from the South-East of England (we better just not even mention ‘oil industry profits’
)
Engineer
True.
“nothing beyond the wit of humans”, but what about politicians?
Ms Raccoon,
You write above: “Last night, Dolours died peacefully in her own bed. In Belfast, Northern Ireland. Still part of the United Kingdom.”
CONVICTED republican terrorist Dolours Price has died suddenly at her Co Dublin home.
Gardai are investigating after the veteran republican – and former wife of well known actor Stephen Rea – was found dead from a suspected drugs overdose in Malahide, north Co Dublin.
It is understood that the body of Ms Price (62) – was found at her home on St Margaret’s Road in Malahide at around 10pm.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dolours-price-former-ira-terrorist-and-exwife-of-actor-stephen-rea-dies-of-suspected-overdose-3363911.html
Dolours Price died on Wednesday at St Margaret’s Road, Malahide, County Dublin.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21199385
I think you’ll find that a drug overdose is normally quite a peaceful death.
The Guardia have now denied that they are investigating her death, saying they are leaving it to the Coroner.
But yes, you are quite right, she did die in Dublin not Belfast.
Certainly a death more peaceful than that experienced by the terrorists victims.
Wow, I’m gobsmacked at the comments. Especially considering the readership here constantly rants about civil liberties. This could have been very deep and meaningful, very relevant in today’s world. Sadly I see nothing more than ignorance and hate.
And before readers jump the to wrong conclusion I disagree with the methods of the IRA. Unfortunately the Northern Catholic Irish never had their version of Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King (or the Vote).
I doubt most here are actually advocating violence, it’s a sign of the bitterness of how hypocritically the victims of the IRA have been treated though, don’t you think? (seen many victims of IRA bombs feted, lauded and showered with attention and benefits?)
As a comparison consider Texas. Once part of Mexico. Lost in a conflict centuries old. The Mexican extremists (note I didn’t say all who move there since the vast majority want nothing more than to work and live comfortably) move there and demand (since Texans, of whatever ancestry, worked hard and developed industry and wealth) that, on threats of violence and death, that it is still part of Mexico (an economic basket-case with outmoded and restrictive laws).
Do you believe it’s right that people who come from a separate nation state, who fought and killed to separate said state, who then elect to move to a country because it’s people, who remained in contact with the ‘mother country’, had better lives, employment prospects and lives. And for them then, because they’ve moved there en masse, to demand that they not only be given equal rights in a foreign country, but that that country (and its wealth) is actually theirs?
The parallels are telling, and perspective is everything.
Able,
But what about the Catholic Irish who already lived or had always lived in Northern Ireland, they should have had same rights as anyone else living there shouldn’t they?
Lucozade
Absolutely! The Catholic population had many and obvious grievances. But in a two-thirds Protestant state you would expect the majority of jobs, housing, etc. to go to Protestants (considering how things even now everywhere, there will have been bias, favouritism and corruption galore as well). The issues of gerrymandering, boundaries etc. remain an issue even now in mainland Britain, so NI is hardly unique. Like prefers like also (not an excuse but a fact and again not a Protestant or British thing alone. Try walking into a Scottish or Irish A&E after closing time with an English accent to experience a different perspective).
The demand for ‘one man one vote’ was patently a legitimate one. The rule (in common with the rest of Britain) was for ‘rate payers’ only to have the vote and, since the majority of ratepayers were Protestant, it was functionally, if not intentionally, a bias against Catholics. I class it as similar to the specious arguments used by the feminists in stating that women only received the vote in 1928. They had had the vote for some time but it was limited by property restrictions (exactly as it had been for men until only 1918). So as such, it was a bias against the poor and not directly aimed at one religious group. (I got in to trouble whilst training as a nurse during one of a regular feminist tirade against the ‘evil men’. I as a member of that group, an evil, discriminating, power-hungry male, should have apparently been ashamed of myself. By pointing out that each and every so called discrimination also affected the men in that social class, and indeed that the tutors, upper middle class ‘ladies’ all, had female ancestors who rather than being discriminated against and patronised by males were more likely to have been having my male ancestors flogged or sent to fight for them in some godforsaken trench. It didn’t go down well as you’d imagine).
I wonder just what grievances the minority Protestant population of ‘Free’ Ireland had (not even considering what they would have been like should a united Ireland have led to a Catholic State.
Half the problem is that people only ever chose to see their own perspectives/experiences as legitimate (and everyone else is seen as either ‘like me’ or ‘the other’). Empathy is a sorely lacking quality.
Alan,
I’ve always considered that point myself, the Catholic Northern Irish have never really had a Martin Luther King type, like the black Americans did, and also there would have been far more black Americans as America’s a much bigger place so they would attract alot more attention…
There seems to be 2 sides/versions of the story, though I suppose you’d only really know the truth if you were Catholic and from Northern Ireland yourself and lived during those times…
“though I suppose you’d only really know the truth if you were Catholic and from Northern Ireland”
And that “truth” would be seen through the Irish Catholic microscope of course and hence not totally an unbiased “truth”.
Wigner’s friend,
The ‘truth’ of what the situation was like for them I mean. If it was really as bad as we’ve been led to belief or not. No-one can really. know unless they were there that’s all…
What ‘civil liberties’ did Ms. Price and her sister respect when they participated in terrorism? What about the rights of the people blown up in the PIRA campaign of hate? It sickens me to think that despite the IRA actually having one of their own as a Government minister in Storemont (McGuinness) Price and Co. still espouse violence, which is the reason why her sister was returned to prison.
‘…Unfortunately the Northern Catholic Irish never had their version of Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King (or the Vote)’. But… the vote is exactly what they do have and, I suspect, matters would have progressed far quicker if part of the population of that unhappy isle had not taken up arms against the other. The lunatics of Sinn Fein and the other extremists on both sides are to blame for setting back peace for decades.
The Troubles. What a waste of human life and still there are fools and madmen on both sides. Which idiots had the bright idea of not flying the Union Jack above Belfast City Hall every day? Is it not part of the UK?? Did they not think that the scrofulous, cretinous and deeply bigotted Unionists would come crawling out of their dwellings and go on the rampage? After all it was what most of them were born to do!!
Bottom line. Price and her ilk are scum and so are the other lot. They kind of deserve each other.
I have to say I am rather shocked at the apparent ignorance over the Northern Ireland troubles. From the get go British Intelligence had their men at the top of every tree in the IRA, it was a game, a deadly game. perhaps the greatest effect from that game was the ability for intelligence to blackmail the |British government when it wanted a certain policy or removal of such.
Take Ross Mcquirter of the famous twins from the Guinness records, killed they say by the IRA for bringing a case of treason against the Queen…why would the IRA do this? They denied responsibility.
The Brighton bombing another set piece by intelligence blamed on the IRA, I could go on…
Please do, this is fascinating…
I thought Ross McWhirter was murdered by the IRA because he put up a £50,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of people responsible for recent terrorist outrages.
However, Elvis Presley was indeed murdered by Aliens because he was about to reveal the whereabouts of the Nazis’ secret Antarctic base where they were were building UFOs using GM materials. The truth is out there on the interweb if you have three minutes to spare.
I thought Ross McWhirter was murdered by the IRA because he put up a £50,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of people responsible for recent terrorist outrages.
Could it be your thinking??
If your mind is full of garbage you will of course always think the same.
@belinus: I think Brian is absolutely correct in his submission that: ‘…I thought Ross McWhirter was murdered by the IRA because he put up a £50,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of people responsible for recent terrorist outrages’.
Yes. That is because he was… according to Harry Duggan and Hugh Doherty, the PIRA men who shot him (and were convicted of the murder). Duggan, speaking of the murder said: ”McWhirter thought he lived in Texas. He put a bounty on our heads. He asked to be killed’.
Could it be our thinking? No. ANY other interpretation of the facts is, in fact (and to coin a recently used phrase) ‘garbage’.
I really do feel for you, old chap. Clearly, you have been a naughty boy, haven’t you? Not taking your medication like you should…
Well one can only assume you have no concept of black ops and the fact for them to work they have to be credible. That aside are you not understanding the fact Ross was bringing a case against the Queen when this happened?
There is a great video around in which Norris explains the fact that treason has been committed on all fronts when it comes to the signatures to the EU, perhaps you might seek it out to gain insight into the bravery of the brothers.
The simple fact is today, in the EU or out, all the statutes they wanted are now in place and can be laid at the feet of Europe and will not be removed, the only ones they do not like are those relating to human rights which prevent, or should prevent, the indentured servitude agenda playing out across the western world.
When you grasp what i am presenting, everything makes perfect sense, at least as to how a country protected by constitution has not been protected by the constitution. Treason at the top is the only answer to this reality playing out before us.
‘…are you not understanding the fact Ross was bringing a case against the Queen when this happened?
No…. He wasn’t. He had, however, put up a £50,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of people responsible for recent terrorist outrages. Fact.
‘…When you grasp what i am presenting, everything makes perfect sense, at least as to how a country protected by constitution has not been protected by the constitution’.
Ummm. We don’t have a Constitution in the UK. It would therefore be extremely difficult to be protected by something that does not actually exist. Fact.
You know… generally, when people throw out a private theory, it generally has at least some basis in reality i.e. that some of the facts bear a different interpretation. In your case (and given previous examples of your delusions regarding English law) they have no basis on anything, except the delusions of someone who may have a few ‘problems’.
Just why do you dream this stuff up? Surely, you must know, by reference to the humorous reception that they generally get that no one takes anything you have to say in the least bit seriously, which is a shame, as if you stuck to ascertainable facts, instead of your own alternate reality then your forthright style might win a few more adherents.
Given that the denizens of Anna’s Public bar and Snug are primarily British (albeit expat), I’ll try and assist with a Northern Irish viewpoint.
My family were from County Down, but as Catholics in a predominantly protestant area were caught up in the violence of “the troubles” and fled after the farmhouse was fire-bombed, for the relative safety of Port Erin, Isle of Man. The land on which the burnt remnants of the farmhouse sit remains in the possession of my uncle and aunt, my mother having died of cancer in 2011.
For myself, I was brought up as an Irishman in exile, aware of both the roots of my birth, but also the reason why we fled Ireland. Although, we believed then and still believe to this day that Ireland should be united, we also believed and still believe to this day that it can and should only be achieved with the democratic consent of all the residents of Northern Ireland.
I firmly believe that a united Ireland will come to fruition one day, but it will be for my grandchildren to watch, not myself. Until that time, the land in County Down will remain a burnt out ruin, a mute accusation to those who set the fire all those years ago, but also a reminder that we will return and rebuild someday.
Until the root causes of sectarian division are removed, the hatred and animosity across the two communities will continue to throw-up bigoted Catholics and Protestants who are all too ready to use violence to push their views over the opposition. The future lies in both communities rejecting men (and women of violence) and acknowledging that Protestant or Catholic, they share a common bond of community with each other.
For this reason I expect to remain an exile in the wilderness until my death, praying for a genuine reconciliation that I will never live to see.
A good start : https://www.lifeinthemix.info/2011/12/profile-northern-ireland-intelligence-terrorism/
And for the main course :
In 1972 the greatly-respected Ross McWhirter (Guinness Book of Records) summonsed the Attorney-General, claiming that signing up the Treaty of Rome was illegal and a breach of the Bill of Rights, forcing British subjects to be bound by laws invented in 1958 by foreign powers, and therefore without the Queen’s Assent.
Ross claimed also that the Queen was in breach of her Coronation Oath.
Ross perhaps had not been aware of the possibility that the current Queen took a different oath to that of her predecessors, leaving Britain without a monarch since her coronation. Should this be fact then Queen Elizabeth II is not the Queen of Great Britain, that in signing off to foreign contracts such as the EU, the UN and trade agreements, suggests the corporate realm to which the latter points belong, is the actual realm the Queen is the monarch of.
He was murdered before the case was tried, allegedly by the IRA, which has always denied responsibility. In 1993 his brother Norris made a similar charge, questioning the legality of the Maastricht Treaty and summonsing the Foreign Secretary for treason.
The Attorney-General took over the case and then he dropped it as “not in the public interest”. That breached the Bill of Rights by “suspending the operation of law” and was contrary to natural justice in that the Attorney sat in judgement on his own case.
It could probably be shown in court that all the EU treaties breach the Bill of Rights because our politicians have agreed that EU law must take preference over British law, established over 1,000 years. Another overt attack on our Bill of Rights shows itself in the move to reform the House of Lords, a situation set forth by Tony Blair.
The Coronation Oath 1953: http://www.royal.gov.uk/ImagesandBroadcasts/Historic%20speeches%20and%20broadcasts/CoronationOath2June1953.aspx
And the Coronation Oath Act 1688 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/WillandMar/1/6/introduction
EU law takes precedence only where it has competence granted by Act of Parliament so to do. Parliament retains the sovereign power to pass an Act to repeal the European Communities Act 1972. As for international treaties, they are covered by the provisions of the Vienna Convention.
Reform of the House of Lords? Was the immortal lizardoid Blair around during the Commons debates in 1886 and 1888 that sought to restrict the hereditary right of Peers to sit in the House of Lords? If so, that could put him in the frame as Jack The Ripper.
The simple fact is to take up office under constitutional doctrine demands an oath, but not to the constitutional realm itself.
The oath taken binds you to uphold the realm of Queen Elizabeth II, and for 60 years oath takers have not in any way upheld the constitutional realm and its common law, Bill of Rights etc, it has implemented commercial statutes as precedent and then claim them to be law.
In that sense we must ask…what realm indeed does the Queen represent? Because it sure ain’t the British Constitutional realm by definition of action over spin.
Uh oh!! Tin foil hat alert!!
I’m already wearing a rather natty alcofoil beanie, not for any conspiratorial or even sartorial reasons, but to slightly conceal my ‘diminished supra-orbital hirsuteness’. But thanks for giving me an excuse to wear it
I think you have been wearing the hat all your lives, stuck in your fantasy over stepping into reality…argue your case and show me you are not just wind and piss…
Did you know that a Borough exists by royal charter from the Privy Council with the power to collect tax direct to the Crown, breeching the removal of the right for the crown to interfere in taxation. Not only that but the council tax is not a service tax at all, it is a personal property tax, and a scam by royal decree.
In that sense every council is in treason for hiding the fact while claiming to show a financial chart explaining how the council tax is spent on services.
And in Lancashire the entire council tax is collected by a Billing Authority straight out of the commercial arena, it has no bearing on the British realm at all.
Only the other week did I come across a gang of men breaking into a property to change the meter, they said under magistrate warrant, the document they showed me was no such thing and as I mentioned arrest they changed their mind, left the meter and scarpered. This was E.on perhaps employing capita or G4s gangsters.
Frankie you are correct the corporation the United Kingdom has no constitution, the simple fact is you fail to read my words I speak of Great Britain, you remember that don’t you?
You can insult all day mucker but my ancestors died to keep what I speak of intact, you of course are what they fought against…corporate fascism.
So Ross was not bringing a case….and you know this how?
English law is law, a statute is always a statute, you are failing to understand why you need a solicitor… let me help, because you do not know law.
I’m surprised there is no mention of the alleged case here: http://mcwhirterfoundation.org/biographies.htm Proof of the conspiracy, no doubt.
Neither the United Kingdom OR Great Britain (isn’t it the same place?) have a Constitution.
Corporate Fascist? Moi?? No… I don’t think so. Just someone who believes in ascertainable facts, not wild completely unprovable theories that have no basis in reality.
‘…let me help, because you do not know law’. Really? So… let me get this straight… Facts being facts and all. I qualified in in 2001. I have a masters degree in law (Distinction) and… I ‘do not know law’?
Hmmm. Maybe a little more than some!
Frankie thanks, because I am trying to ascertain whether solicitors understand the difference between the human and the legal person, from your answer it is clear you are explaining you do not.
So layered is the law that only the highest barristers understand this reality if what you are saying is correct.
Facts :
I have used this knowledge for three years and each time I use it all claims disappear, and, I no longer have any trouble at all with the police.
In fact I was thanked by two detectives for reminding them of their oath and thus their powers.
I have promoted this for two years and the simple fact is, it works and places all constables back to sanity be that with me or those courageous souls who have followed its merits.
I have paid no council tax for almost four years because of course council tax is a personal property tax with authority coming from a crown charter given to all boroughs, and that breaches the constitution which prevents royal interference in taxation.
The simple fact is we no longer have councils, we have royal; chartered boroughs collecting taxes by deception and not for the realm but for private enterprise.
On that basis you are either deceived as we all are, or naturally you are protecting the racket and should be treated accordingly.
This is the fact of all facts, I am not a legal entity therefore all statutory claims are void and apportioned to the true liable agent for all legal persons, the crown under its copyright.
As for Ross, you are guessing and perhaps looking in the wrong places, find the video I suggested and learn what you do not know.
‘…I have promoted this for two years and the simple fact is, it works and places all constables back to sanity be that with me or those courageous souls who have followed its merits’.
‘… I am not a legal entity therefore all statutory claims are void and apportioned to the true liable agent for all legal persons, the crown under its copyright’.
Or… In reality: ‘The police and the local authorities are humouring me because they know I am raving mad, giving me a wide berth because they can see mountains of paperwork if they lock me up’!
Able, you seriously need to revise your bumper book of US – Mexican history.
ILTB
I’ll bow to your superior knowledge, but in what way, other than gross oversimplification, was I wrong?
Texas as an entity was initially, obviously, Indian. It was claimed by almost half the worlds powers for a while but ‘conquered’ by Spain and when Mexico gained independence, I think in 1821, Texas was part of Mexico. Mexico ‘colonised’ it and allowed immigration by North Americans (who rapidly and significantly outnumbered the Mexicans in the territory). Due to, amongst other things the lack of rights and militarisation of the government, Santa Anna’s military attempt to put down ‘disagreement’ led to ‘revolution’ (The Mexican War – remember The Alamo). This resulted in the formation of the independent nation of ‘The Republic of Texas’ (1834?).
Since then the Texans, of all racial types, have worked and developed a booming economy and, as part of the USA, a system of rights and protections. Certain Mexican ‘extremist’ organisations, in tandem with the massive influx of Mexicans seeking employment and a better life in Texas and the US, have demanded that Texas (as well as other areas supposedly originally Hispanic) be returned to Mexico – The ‘Reconquista’.
So, in what way was I ‘wrong’? Please enlighten me.
Able, is not correct that after being expelled from Spain an armada of Jewish people were massed off the coast of Portugal at the same time Columbus was readying for sale to India (America)?
That two weeks after Columbus set sail so to the Jewish armada, eventually settling in Mexico.
Could be yet another example of diaspora and those really in control of the Spanish move at the time moved indentured servants to Mexico to do their bidding, especially in the realm of commerce?
The same used by Europe to colonize South America :
https://www.lifeinthemix.info/2012/09/displacement-diaspora-currency-slave-traders/
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