Yesterday, nine “Asian” men were convicted of conspiracy and rape of under age girls in Rochdale and Oldham. It is no surprise to me or anyone else who lives where I live.
I live in a dreary, post industrial East Lancashire town. I grew up here. It is a world as far away from “iDave” and the Oxfordshire set or “Milibland” and “Utter Balls” as it is impossible to imagine. It is “multiculturalism” in action. That is to say there are white ghettos where the white underclass live, and “Asian” (really Pakistani) ghettos where the Pakistanis and Bangladeshi’s live.
There are no Indian or Chinese ghettos because they are largely middle class and have all become Consultants and Solicitors (a slight exaggeration but you take my point).
It is no news to the inhabitants of this town that this has been going on. In fact this is about the third such trial that I have heard about (and that is heard about, because the Powers that Be are very sensitive about letting such matters into the public domain).
But there is another side to this. Here is a link to an interview with the father of one of the victims of rape, broadcast on Radio Five Live’s Drive programme yesterday. The interview is just after the 5.00 pm news. The gentleman is clearly a free thinking radically liberal parent, intent on allowing his daughter to explore her own self, and confront important issues such as alcohol and smoking in her own way.
For those of you who are unable to access it for copyright reasons or because it has “expired”, let me quote directly from her wise and trusting father about what happened to her daughter:
“What happened was…she would go to the kebab shop with the other girl. They [the men] would be friendly, they would sit they would chat. They’d give them free food, they’d give them free beer, free cigarettes. All of this seemed fine….They would give them lifts…”
No, it is not. It is not OK to let your teenage daughter hand out in kebab shops with much older men who give her “free” food and ply her with “free” alcohol and cigarettes and give her “lifts,” you moron, it is a dereliction of your parental duties. You deserve prison almost as much as these rapists.
On another front, there have been plenty of voices keen to distinguish the crime from race and culture. The Police, for example, insist race was not an element of the case.
It is an open secret that Pakistani Muslim men target stupid, feckless white teenage girls.
There is a significant problem amongst some sections of working class Muslim men of Pakistani and in this case Afghan background. Most of the men involved in these crimes were married with children. These men, however, look at these young white girls as unclean from the start. They are “Kafir”, non-Muslim, and thus of no account anyway. The fact that they can be bribed or pressured in sex with the aid of booze and cigarettes (and in plain terms raped) just proves the point.
This case represents in a wider sense an act of priapic cultural victory by an immigrant community over the white underclass, which is doomed.
Well done, Britain. Thanks a lot.
Sigillum
A Knights Templar
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A nonce is a nonce……….whether he’s white, black, brown, pink or green.
These f*****rs deserve everything that’s coming to them.
I wonder if, when the unnamed 59 year old faces the second trial for which one must assume he’s been legally incognito for, he’ll then be named?
“The Police, for example, insist race was not an element of the case…”
Which rather offers the question: Why, as these men were not arrested four years previously “for reasons of cultural sensitivity”, is race/religion not an issue here?
I heard a senior (SNORK!) plod confirm the latter point after the convictions were announced. I understand that there is a vacancy in Port Stanley for a traffic warden. I think he should apply, if he speaks Spanish…
“Well done, Britain. Thanks a lot.”
My pleasure, but really nothing I voted for. This has been, as you say, brewing up for some time and I for one am sickened by a) the events, b) the excuses being made by the limp-wristed twitterati and c) the hopeless naivite of the victim groups (and their parents).
>“The Police, for example, insist race was not an element of the case…”
I’ve seen them arguing both sides on that, pointing out that race/culture is part of the issue but not necessarily definitive.
Race element to the offence, but not definitive to the whole issue. It’s far more complicated.
By the same token you could point out that abuse in the Far East by sex tourists is a race issue by Westerners.
Unusually, an excellent discussion of all this (comments, not article) at Lib Con:
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/05/08/why-the-media-focus-on-the-race-of-child-grooming-trial/
Compare and contrast with the Stephen Lawrence case, enquiry on top of enquiry, fundamental change to the whole basis of UK law, root and branch purging of the Metropolitan Police, self-flagellation of the liberal elite and still it goes on. Yet, in the end just one unfortunate teenager knifed in the street, not the first and sadly won’t be the last.
Here again the police appear to have been slow to react, to the point of ignoring the crime. Finally when it goes to trial the MSM conspire in a news blackout. Now it is public there is much hand-wringing from the liberal elite. “More research is needed”, to “prove” that what has been going on hasn’t. Pity that some brave muslims have been ashamed enough to spoil their game.
Still, it only affects ‘white trash’ and since when did our champagne marxists care about them?
This does seem to be the nub of the matter. It’s quite possible for Black, White, Asian, European, Christian, Muslim or any other ‘label’ (or combination thereof) to be racist in thought, speech or deed; it is equally possible for the above to be not racist. Until this basic truth is acknowledged by all, we cannot have a sensible, balanced debate about resolving problems.
One of the problems that has to be addressed is the assumption by some followers of one religion that others who do not adhere to that religion are of no account. Others may disagree, but I feel that that is racist in itself, and therefore part of the problem. It needs to be discussed openly and properly by all with responsibility in politics and the media, and not ignored to become a weapon of the extremist.
Let’s not forget that many of these girls were said to be ‘in care’, a twisted concept almost as linguistically incompetent as the term ‘Asian’…
I heard some twat on Today saying the “Care Services” had to give the girls room to find themselves. Idiot.
I do not understand why in this case the police are allowed to define whether or not it is a racial incident. Following the Stephen Lawrence case my understanding was the police were not to be trusted to make this assessment and it was passed to the victim to decide whether or not the crime was racially motivated.
I suspect I am being naive and the above only applies to non white victims of crime.
Well ask the white girls who was beaten up by four drunken Somali girls shouting “Die white bitch”
The judge in that case said that it wasn’t a racist motivated/aggravated incident; the attackers simply weren’t used to alcohol and then gave them suspended sentences.
Compare that to the berk on the Croydon tram who was remanded in custody over Christmas before even seeing a judge…
A more than slight tangent, but immigration and porous borders are an issue alongside the multiculturalism fiasco.
Listening to the story of the failures of our border controls, I was struck by the comparison with the private sector. Could you imagine your local supermarket getting the staff or the stock in at the wrong time? For months?
The border control people even work in the same building as the airlines and have timetables, yet needed ministerial involvement to get on with the job.
OK what do I know, but it isn’t the minister that’s paid to run things.
I strongly suspect the police/CPS wanted to dodge the investigation at first, hoping it woul all “go away”
The background to these cases (of which there are a silent many) is a combination of culture and opportunism.
In the home culture of those Pakistani men, there are virtually no opportunities for extra-marital sexual activities, and even their marital ones are with someone chosen by the family, whom they may find quite unattractive. Single girls of that culture do not engage in pre-marital sex, as that brings shame on the family and compromises their marriageability, so the potential supply of partners is limited.
But it is also the case that the behaviour of sons is always beyond reproach, the family working on the principle that sons represent the family’s future and, so long as they are not bringing public shame on it, the family will condone pretty much whatever a son chooses to do.
In Britain, these men then find themselves in a culture where young women are generally available for extra-marital sex, albeit young women from other origins. They also find themselves inhabiting ghettos, shared by their own group alongside only the more disadvantaged of the indigenous population, those with lower parenting skills or children already in forms of care. This creates the opportunity – the men have the resources to attract the girls, the young and troubled girls have no established boundaries to encourage avoidance.
This is not about creating an excuse – there is no excuse for the ‘institutionalised child abuse’ which these groups are perpetrating. Any man with any reasonable set of values, from whatever race or culture, should recognise the deep wrongness of it. Equally, any Police force or local authority should recognise it and act upon it with fearless vigour.
The real scandal is that so many individuals and authorities have known of this for a decade or more, yet have done nothing to address it. So-called ‘community leaders’ will never address it because turning a blind-eye to men’s misdeeds is their cultural norm, and who elected them anyway ?
We require the Law to be colour-blind, race-blind and culture-blind – there should be no avoidance simply because the authorities are scared of any backlash from the target group – if that target troup is breaking the law, then it should be charged without fear or favour.
I write as one with some very close friends from the Pakistani-Muslim culture – needless to say, their families do not participate in these activities but, by discussing with them the ‘operating systems’ of their original culture, it is easy to understand how many others with different personal values could take advantage of the opportunities available.
It would be unfair to tar a whole culture with this ugly brush, but the sad truth it that, far from being a tiny minority, there is a substantial iceberg here, just waiting to be revealed and measured. Whether our authorites have the stomach for it remains to be seen.
@Mudplugger. Yours is possibly one of the most intelligent and reasoned responses I have read so far on these unfolding nightmares.
+1
Well said Mudplugger.
+ another one. That is indeed a considered, reasonable and balanced comment.
Mudplugger is off the mark.
The ‘reasons why’ these men did what they did is not the point at all.
The main point is WHY the police and CPS have been going soft on the whole issue of brown men committing unspeakable crimes.
So, on the whole, whether or his comments are ‘considered’, ‘reasonable’, ‘balanced’ or not is completely immaterial. Saying that ‘people have to be understood’ is horse-shit.
At the end of the day there’s no point to rationalise what they did – the bottom line is this, “………bad fuckers do bad things because they’re bad fuckers…..”
The scandal is that the British criminal justice system, and the wishy washy BBC and newspaper media have been appalling.
“The scandal is that the British criminal justice system, and the wishy washy BBC and newspaper media have been appalling.”
True words spoken by the Architect
If you believe Ann Cryer, the former Labour MP for Keighley, the sweeping under the carpet has been going on for a long time:
“Ten years ago I was dealing with cases like this in my area, but Greater Manchester police say they knew nothing about it.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141740/Rochdale-child-sex-trial-Police-fears-branded-racist-left-grooming-gang-free-abuse-teenage-girls-years-says-Labour-MP.html#ixzz1uUQWS17Q
I concur with Mudplugger’s very thoughtful response. These things don’t often happen in a vacuum: there are various cultural and social factors which come to play. This doesn’t by any stretch of the imagination mitigate the evil they’ve done – and for which they must answer. But this episode also highlights the moral indifference of our political masters and the institutions which serve them..
“In the home culture of those Pakistani men, there are virtually no opportunities for extra-marital sexual activities,”
But enough for this charity to be needed.
“It would be unfair to tar a whole culture with this ugly brush…….”
But that’s precisely what MP Keith Vaz did, when in denial, he said “no particular race or religion” tended to be involved. He wanted to blame “Asians” in general.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17996245
The Police and The liberal left agree that this is not a racial issue – but consider how these men will be treated.
They will be kept in a comfortable prison environment with consideration for the religious sensibilities, education and three Halal meals a day.
They will be protected from other prisoners who might feel they would like to exact some revenge on them and then they will be released at the earliest available opportunity, like every other prisoner.
Contrast this with how a group of British men who might be foolish to pursue their despicable behaviour in Islamabad abusing young Muslim girls – I am pretty sure that once caught they would not even make it as far as a trial.
It horrifies me that the immigration policies that have been imposed on us for the last decade or so seem to be turning me into what I would once have considered a racist – I am the son of an immigrant, but this is no longer the country that I grew up in and the bending over backward to accommodate the sensitivities of people who have no intention of integrating with us is simply unacceptable
Yes – we have 2 lots of jerks kneeing here on this issue (so far).
1 – “This was a racial issue”.
2 – “This was NOT a racial issue.”
I don’t think we have enough data for general conclusions.
We also have a whole lot of cardboard cutouts.
Life is complicated.
I’m wondering whether marrying a cousin is actually a lower risk than picking a partner off the internet dating tombola !
Matt,
I think when we reflect on the outcomes of the upcoming trials in Oxofrd, Liverpool and Telford we’ll all know a lot more…
If you plan children, then it’s much much higher risk.
I’ll bet they’ll be given access to goats as well
“They will be protected from other prisoners who might feel they would like to exact some revenge on them”
You maybe significantly over-estimating the ability of the state to affect this or indeed, the willingness of rank and file prison officers to do so.
It sounds Racist to me, and Classist, although no doubt opposite situations also exist. The problem is in pretending that it isn’t. Who dares to express such opinions these days? That’s what really pisses me off.
> The problem is in pretending that it isn’t.
+1
From Accrington I can confirm what this contrtibutor says. The Asians I know are as appalled as most white people and very keen to insist the ‘perps’ of such crimes are from villages in remote rural areas.
Turning a blind eye to the fact that such men regard white women as trash because we do not insist our wives and daughters cover their hair, arms and legs in public and never go out alone is criminal negligence on the part of our rulers, the courts and law enforcement agencies.
That the Heywood Nine are not a one off case is an indictment of multiculturalism and political correctness which should have parents rioting in the streets. It’s time we woke up. If we do not, things are going to get very nasty on the streets.
If race wasn’t a factor, why were there no Pakistani girls amongst the abused ?
Probably because their parents keep better tabs on them than the drink-sodden utterly useless bastards masquerading as mothers and fathers in native communities these days.
Ah yes, through the threat of “Honour Killing”. How culturally enriching.
The definition of a racial offrence is one which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person. The offenders where Pakistani (and one Afghan). The victims were white females. There were no Pakistani (or Afghan) females amongst the victims. There were no white offenders. This is a racist incident. Many of the local Police officers know that the offences are racially motivated. It is only the high ranking members of ACPO, looking for their knighthoods, QPMs (if not already awarded) and future careers who state there is no racial element. One wonders if a group of white males had ‘cultivated’ a group of Pakistani women in similar circumstances would also be offered the same level of offence? AQnyone who has had dealings with the Pakistani community (and I have, over many years) knows that, while taking as many benefits as possible, view this country as beneath their contempt and any actions they take can only be to the better of this society (in their view).
It seems to me that ACPO, CPS and the state bureaucracies agree with Lee Jasper – only white people can be racist…
I’ll leave it to you to spot the oxymoron….
The world is not a pleasant place but it is made more unpleasant when we try to justify people fucking children against their will, charging others to fuck said children, beating, gang raping, threatening and drugging children in order to prostitute them all over the north east.
The world is made more unpleasant when the police decide that offending the families and friends of perverts is more important than protecting children that the state has already decided that it was going to protect by placing them in care.
I cannot think of a single time in the past when excuses were made and about culture, when justification for child abuse was made by so many.
I also cannot remember when so many perverts and paedophiles were located in such close proximity and operating openly amongst a community that accepts the behaviour.
It was at least 50 girls in this group, upto 5 – 10 men per night for some of them, nearly a decade.
Do the maths. How many Pakistani men in the Rochdale area have not been involved would be a better question.
Also for those with information on the childrens homes in the Area. Ask yourselves. The very efficient specific targeting of girls with history of drug/sexual abuse and mental health issues could be facilitated by gaining information from others with access to the Risk Assessment File.
This was an industry and a lot of money was made, upto £200 per time was being charged. This is not the past time of a poor pakistani farmer. These people are not poor nor backward.
And finally this was a Race and Religion crime.
As for the reasons the community accepts it. We do not follow Sharia. Therefore this is the “House of War, Dar Al Harb” Our children are the children of the enemy infidels and the laws are very specific. They are to be taken in slavery and taken as War booty.
No Muslim girl could be used in this way as that is against the rules for them.
Thank you 2Mac.
The only thing left unsaid – should a relative of one of the unfortunate girls stage a protest outside one of the houses of the accused and burn or piss on a Koran denouncing its contents as being accesory to these crimes then you can be assured of a mass response from the filth policing these ghettos for the benefit of the perverts.
Meanwhile, “reasoned responses” seem to be in vogue, therefore the problems will escalate.
A father in the home is rarity enough, but one who tries to preserve his daughter’s integrity with timely advice is going to be called ‘controlling’ and accused of ‘abuse’. He is ‘imposing’ his ‘judgemental’ views in a ‘sexist’ way. That is part of the same destructive feminist syndrome of “My body: I can do what I want”. It is less a ‘liberal’ issue than a cultural marxist underthrow of society via feminism.
Well boys and girls, some very lucid posts and most of the obvious flaws in our current leftie inspired multi-culti fuck up appear to have been identified !
Its time to float the options for an incentivised re-patriation programme aimed at the muslim community. Obviously something where those opting for early repatriation get the best deals on state housing repurchase, continuation of welfare benefits in country of origin etc.
Those not opting for the package face a sharply reducing benefit package and ramped up eligibility requirements.
Does this remind anybody of any historical precedent, were an out of touch elite were arguing about irrelevncies while the world was changing about them?
Well, you still have the Household cavalry, and I’m pretty damn sure camoron has a morning suit and top-hat -I’m sure you will be OK.
Please don’t call the Canadians next time we went way over budget on the Libyan foo-forah that camoron and sarkozy started and could not finish. Remind me who benefitted from that exercise in bringing “democracy” to Africa, why yes it was the rapers and gay-killers. Hoorah for camoron.
Are the powers-that-think-they-be totally ignorant of the seeds they have sown in our land with their policy of mass immigration of people? Have they learned nothing from the plight of the Native Americans, who provide a template for our own destruction? It may be that the answers are ‘no’ and ‘yes’, and the process is deliberate. Mass immigration does not lead to integration – it is an invasion which leads to ghettos which grow into colonies which become Little Pakistan and Little India and Little Somewhere Else, while the indigenous population is squeezed out of their traditional homelands until they have only ghettos. Immigrant (currently minorities) are accorded grotesque privileges under the law as evidenced by the behaviour of those involved who are paid to prosecute crimes and protect children.
Now only white people can be racist, and only white men can be paedophiles.
Imagine how this would have played in the media had the races of victims and perpetrators been reversed (heaven forbid that they ever should).
Winston Smith
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