
The media are enjoying dipping their soldiers into a Clegg this morning; he is such a bumptious, Holier than thou, ‘I promise you a different kind of politics’, new metro man, that seeing him boiled and served up on a silver platter by unimpeachable sources – women! – has proved an excellent start to their day.
For Women are the new truth and light, the new orthodoxy, their words a bible for our age. ‘She says’ – therefore it happened. Clegg can do nothing except apologise for not handling their complaints in suitably bureaucratic fashion. Five full length inquiries, at least five QCs involved, a couple of million quid out of party funds, and a wholesome apology all round should do the trick. Anything less will not satisfy the shrill voices on his doorstep. Don’t even think of querying whether there was any truth in the complaints, Nicky boy – they’ll flay you alive.
That said, if there is truth in the allegations of inappropriate groping, I’ll allow that it can be a problem. Not a problem in and of itself – for a slap in the face often serves as solution – but the place and the circumstances can turn the grope into a major social conundrum where the slap in the face is equally inappropriate.
That place, and those circumstances, are inevitably where you must maintain an on going relationship with the groper. You know damn well that if you deliver that slap on the face that would put an end to the furtive fumbling whenever the opportunity presents itself, that there will be repercussions, and I suspect, having been in this position, that part of the fury that infuses women is the knowledge that you will have to continue to treat the individual as a respected member of the human race when he has treated you as nothing more than a farmyard animal. When it is your Uncle, or your husband’s best friend, or your boss doing the fumbling, there is more to consider than just the grope.
There is a class of man who grew of age at a time when dancing meant getting the chance to feel the thickness of a girl’s waist and her child bearing properties, did she freeze from your grip or did she bend into it? Suddenly in the 60s, he was plunged into a world where dancing meant flapping your hands in imitation of an autistic meltdown whilst appearing to climb a flight of stairs in time with the music. Not only was he unable to master this art in gainly fashion, he was also deprived of the only way he knew to sort out the girls who ‘would’ from the girls who ‘wouldn’t’. It was the heterosexual version of the time honoured question in homosexual circles of “Are you a friend of Dorothy’s?”
The young made the cultural transition with ease – ‘You up for a shag?’ was considered a perfectly normal question in the dance halls of South London, I seem to remember; a question that one was free to respond to with as much venom and invective as required. No offence taken on either part. Our ex-Viennese-waltzing male, now of a certain age, was excluded from this discourse. I am convinced that at least half of them picked up their early retirement pensions and moved to France during this period – they seem to be under the impression that the asexual French bisou greeting can only be improved by a good old fashioned English check on the thickness of your waistline. I have been groped more times by wine sozzled Englishmen since I lived here than I ever was in England. Yeah! At my age! Some of them are truly desperate.
How to deal with it when it is your Uncle, your husband’s best friend, or your boss? Personally I would advocate avoidance. Yeah, I know, that dastardly middle class white male should be punished, humiliated; it’s not your fault you’re attractive, you shouldn’t have to take the punishment etc, etc - for heaven’s sake don’t let’s mention the victim blaming meme. But do you really want to ruin a political party ten years later, or create a family rift for all time with your Aunt, or engage the services of an expensive lawyer to sue for sexual harassment? Are there really not the words in your vocabulary to put him in his place, make him feel about yea high, deliver a stinging rebuke that no one else hears? Women’s Lib was supposed to empower women, not turn them into helpless wimps.
We seem to have spawned a generation of women more timid, more fearful, than any Victorian maid. The slightest indent in their desired world and they demand an army to go barging in on their behalf to sort out the ‘evil bastard’. The entire Savile shenanigan was originally about just such a grope, if the witness was to be believed. A grope, a stolen kiss, an inappropriate suggestion. That has been swollen by the media into 400 women traumatised for life, too frightened to speak out for 30 years, requiring an army of lawyers, millions in compensation and world media attention to put right.
Crikey, Women’s Lib and the new fangled dances have a lot to answer for – the 60s generation would have whispered in his ear – ‘Piss off you old Goat’ and pulled their hand smartly away. We knew how to stand up for ourselves. Our Mother’s generation had run the country whilst the men were off playing football in the trenches…
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A few years ago a young lady narrated a tale of unwanted attention at an well know Essex night club where one would be beau was overly persistent. During a rare quiet moment she asked in the presence of his friends if he thought that he was God’s gift to women. His reply was positive and very much in the local vernacular to which she replied, “I think that you are God’s gift – to toilet roll manufacturers!” For some odd reason he did not bother her further …
A Woman, (must be obeyed), Labour MP, Lilian Greenwood, was in there last night on BBC Radio 4′s Westminster Hour demanding that an independent enquiry be held, rather than let the LibDems do it for themselves.
Apparently there are ‘lessons to be learned’.
I’m waiting for the first ‘independent’ enquiry to come up with ‘sustainable lessons to be learned’. Can’t be long now.
Thank you Jim – I missed that, although I knew someone would be calling for an independent inquiry….
Then you have learned a lesson…
OK, I’ll get my coat…
Why not a judge-led inquiry?
For some unfathomable reasons I can’t stop thinking of the Salem witch trials.
For some unfathomable reason you won’t be able to stop thinking of Lord Rennard dressed only in sandals.
” Are there really not the words in your vocabulary to put him in his place, make him feel about yea high, deliver a stinging rebuke that no one else hears? Women’s Lib was supposed to empower women, not turn them into helpless wimps.”
You’d think for budding politicians, there would be.
Looking at Lord Rennard, I must admit to a measure of surprise that the alleged targets of his attentions were actually post-pubescent females – that’s almost normal by Lib-Dem standards.
As ever, it’s the cover-up which will hurt the most, but they never seem to learn – so any ‘lessons’ from the promised clutch of long-grass-kicking inquiries will not be learned this time either.
I’m still left wondering why now? As far as I can get it, the chances are it comes from Sarah Teather and probably Simon Hughes. I guess it’s also the perfect storm of sex pest allegations what with some Cardinal asking for a dutch oven noshing from some priests (although I assume he was just a Bishop then – surely there’s a joke in there Mrs) and now this Rennard fellow, too cheap to hire a hooker, too clumsy to appear chivalrous. One of these ‘allegations’ is that he put his hand on a woman’s knee 3 times in a late night boozer – well, ffs, really, did he then whip his knob out and say ‘fancy a chipolata my lovely?’ Hmm…. if anything – although in complete agreement that women are the new oracles, but if anything this slew of allegations, this aggregation of DLT’s ‘how much do your tits weigh – whey hey’ with the Saville allegations of paedo action, just kind of diminishes the genuine cases of pestery. And ffs, asking a priest to nosh you off and then blabbing about it 20 years later just before conclave seems, well, fucking churlish, frankly.
Whoops – having just read the allegations about the Cardinal – it’s not that funny. Mae maxima etc
You found what the allegations are? I far as I can see, Keith O’Brian was inappropriately inappropriate with some trainee priests. It would be funny to discover that he was challenging them to a game of cards on the Sabbath or something.
One of them followed on from a late night drinking session apparently, which made me giggle.
No idea if it all took place at Buckfast Abbey – but as a venue it sounds ideal…. the faster you say it……..
Taking an alternative view, where did he find the Lib Dem women that might have been that tempting in the first place?
And what did their successful girlie candidates do to be selected ? Looking at some of them, one starts to feel a degree of sympathy for the ordeals Rennard may have undergone on behalf of the party – that’s dedication.
The same thought occurred to me. There is a peculiar kind of kinkiness in seeking out hairy-legged tweed-clad bluestockings for amorous play. Has anyone ever noticed that the female columnists for The Guardian never make the effort to run a comb through their hair, let alone actually prepare properly to look professional, let alone glamorous, when they have their photos taken for their column heads? I imagine they probably do on dates in their gardening clothes.
Actually I feel kind of sorry for guys like Clegg’s Liberal Lord, because I think they are probably very unhappy people and very conflicted about sex. Perhaps too shy and too worried about public image to hire a hooker, and yet only able to approach peer group females when under the influence of alcohol, and then very clumsily, although, having said that, perhaps he was not so far out of line in following British conventions on courtship.
Savile, too, was a dog, but was he really a happy dog, one has to ask? His sex life seems to have been incredibly furtive, and imagine never being able to take a partner on holiday or to a family occasion, or anywhere in public due to one’s notoriety.
When young I was far too shy and proper to ever ask “You up for a shag, then”, and I wonder how effective it would have been. I guess that in whatever social circles you move, it is the making of the approach that is more important than the subtlety of the approach. If the woman in question harbours some kind of lustful feeling for the questioner, the form of the approach may not matter much, and if she doesn’t then no time is wasted unnecessarily. So there is a certain amount of truth in faint heart never won fair lady, but as Anna points out, you have to be sure that both sides understand the rules of the game.
What is really peculiar just now is how Christian Grey seems to be a female icon of western romance. I wonder how popular it would have been if Christian had been written to resemble the unfortunate liberal. Not quite Rennard the Fox is he.
Speaking of many shades of grey, check out the comments on these blogs.
It rather looks like someone called George Dutton has been after Rennard the Fox for quite some time….. Wall Ties?
http://jonathanwallace.blogspot.co.uk/2007/06/exclusive-photos-from-rennard-party.html
http://jonathanwallace.blogspot.co.uk/2007/03/pics-from-inside-of-stately-home-of.html
Fifty shades of yellow doesn’t have the same ring, although after reading the LibDem manifesto (aka Promise the Moon), grey is the colour.
I find a well-placed (timed?) fart works well at repelling boarders.
Looks like they had their own versions of Jim’ll Fix It badges too….
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/24/article-0-1840C802000005DC-773_634x382.jpg
Both accurate and amusing.
I understand two inquiries have been set up. I am concerned that may not be enough. I want a full, independant inquiry into why there are only two inquiries.
Lessons must be learned. The systemic failure must be exposed even though no one person is to blame. 217 recomendations as to best practice must be made. There must be a sea change in the culture. More laws must be passed, and no one sacked.
This is the incantation of the modern witch doctors, the spin doctors and the politicians through whom they speak, like ventriloquists using a doll.
So so true
The sooner the LibDems disappear in to the mire of history the better as far as I’m concerned. They’ve been buggering up election for years by splitting the vote and letting in the people we don’t really want.
I think my piece over on Max’s blog really sums up my feelings on the man : http://www.maxfarquar.com/2013/02/and-the-best-picture-oscar-goes-to/
‘Going to work on a Clegg’ Hmmm. Like that one. Wish I’d thought of it…
In Scotland, that major export market for Backfast Tonic Wine, a cleg is a horsefly. By all means go to work on a clegg, buty be sure to use plenty of insect repellent.
“You up for a shag?” Blimey! But you’re right, it was common parlance for the time. I remember playing in bands back in the 60s and 70s where the girls used to ask you! Mind you I remember one gig we did at Eel Pie Island in Twickenham which had a live in caretaker who was as bent as an 8 bob note. He spent most of the evening chasing me around the hall trying to grab me by the balls.
I found out afterwards that in order to keep him away from them, the other guys in the band told him I was a poof. (Am I allowed to say that these days?) Bastards!
Times have changed. Not always for the better, but I can’t help thinking that you only have to open your mouth these days to be accused of sexual harassment. This doesn’t excuse genuine abuse, but sometimes people are just a little over sensitive.
You’re right about the girls – reminds me of one night when the question was posed to my brother in law by a lady (I use the term loosely) leaning against the door post as he left the club. He had been in our company all evening, so I know she hadn’t met him before…
“Nah, he said, I’m knackered”.
“OK, tomorrow then”
“Yeah”, says he, and gave her our address.
Sure enough, 3pm on the Sunday afternoon, she turned up. Barely a word was said between them and they disappeared to the bedroom. An hour later she came downstairs and left without a word.
I’m still stunned 30 years later!
In a similar vein, working one morning in an office many miles from home, a quite attractive single lady, more than a decade younger than me, sidled up to my desk and, apropos of nothing else, told me quietly that she liked nothing more than nipping home at lunchtime, having sex, then going straight back to work, to enjoy the aura and aroma of recent sex for all the afternoon. Was that an invitation ? It was, and we did (and jolly good it was too), and she seemed to have a positive glow all that afternoon, while I must admit my pm concentration-level lapsed a tad.
Nothing had happened before this event to provoke it and nothing happened after it – an entirely random, spontaneous one-off. And yes, I was quite stunned too – but then maybe I’d had a sheltered upbringing.
To quote Woody Allen “Sex without love is a meaningless experience, but as far as meaningless experiences go its pretty damn good.” Good on her!
The timing is “interesting”.
The Lib Dems will never forgive Clegg for getting them into power.
That was my initial thought on the matter. Then I thought how novel it was for a Libdem to be in a heterosexual “scandal”. And then I wondered how many people would be feverishly working on a Youtube hit on the lines of Clegg’s “I’m So So Sorry” classic.
But mostly I wondered how inept those who would lead us are. They deny the truth at first – what they knew and when – and then as the story unfolds they just look like the lying little creeps they are. They all seem to be the same. Every party has these teflon scumbags in them, who rather than be honest, always try to deny first. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. How I wish they could just all be honest. Nobody expects perfection or infallibility. How you respond to any incident doesn’t have to be right, but denial? Why always denial?
The Lib Dems will never forgive Clegg for getting them into power.
… and not being allowed to condemn ‘The Government’ for everything.
Don’t forget – women are getting old./
Couldn’t agree more, we seemed to be far better able to handle these things in the ‘sexist’ early 60s. The attitude is almost Victorian, I think I could have handled an old goat like Rennard when I was 16 and Savile too for that matter. Still if it helps get rid of the two faced LDs it is worth it, even more hypocritical than other parties.
I suppose the real issue is not that these women could not handle the old goat, but that political preferment or selection for constituency candidacies may have been dependent on performance on the casting couch. Of course Liberals may have preferred Rennard’s methods to those of Jeremy Thorpe.
Frankly, I find the LibDems so odious that little would surprise me. Their collective lack of moral fibre is reflected in almost all they do. The hapless Rennard (who is so fat that he has probably forgotten what his genitals look like, let alone what they are for – shades of ‘our Cyril’) can hardly be spoiled for choice when it comes the the matter of horizontal PT, so his blundering desperation can hardly be a surprise – power may well be an aphrodisiac, but not in the miror, fatty…
But consider Mark Oaten! A more improbable human being could not be invented – as to what he got up to, then that is best left alone. And then, there is the dreadful dogwalker Huhne – what a shitbag.
And so on…
For those of us raised in the traditions of Gladstonian liberalism, this is quite appalling. Having said that, then one or two of the escapades of W.E.Gladstone himself probably don’t survive close srutiny.
Contemplating Rennard’s rotund frame, one is reminded of the lady who once recalled a horizontal liason with Nicholas Soames, the even-more-corpulent Tory MP. She likened it to having a large double wardrobe fall upon her, with the key still in its door.
I’ve no political affiliations at all, but have little regard for the Libdems. In my community their nasty little newsletter for years falsely associated them with every action for good carried out by local people. Shifty and shameless.
I can’t help seeing the pre-election golden boy Clegg as a landed fish; sweaty, gasping and wriggling.
Irrational, I know, but I feel better now.
Statement from Nick Dregg, the Deputy Slime minister
The allegations made on Channel 4 about the Lib Dems ever having any electable policies last
Thursday were extremely serious and distressing to all involved.
But I would like to make one thing crystal clear. I did not know about any Lib Dem policies until
Channel 4 informed the party of them shortly before they were broadcast.
I am angry and outraged at the suggestion that the Lib Dems ever published a coherent, useful
or popular policy. Indeed, when indirect and non-specific policies reached my Office in 2008, we
acted to deal with them.
I totally reject the insidious suggestion that my office or I are responsible in any way for a
deliberate policy on anything.
In the meantime, I will not stand by and allow my party to be shown to be effective or popular and
will endeavour to see it sink in a show trial of innuendo, half-truths and slurs.
The important thing is that we respect any lunatics who have come forward and do everything
to run away from real life. That is what will now happen.
“For Women are the new truth and light, the new orthodoxy, their words a bible for our age. ‘She says’ – therefore it happened.”
“Crown has also outlined Pryce’s defence of marital coercion – that she had no real choice but to take the speeding points on Huhne’s behalf.
The defence is only available to wives.”
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10249701.Vicky_Pryce_retrial___day_one/
“Crown reading email correspondence between Ms Oakeshott and Pryce ………wrote that she “would need reassurance that it would indeed bring Chris Huhne down.”
As another has already said – which of the lib dem MPs / councillors said yes and kept quiet.?
Was / is there a similar routes for Gays/ Lesbians.
We should know.
James Naughtie interviewed an opportunist Labour MP called John Mann on R4′s “Today” this morning. Mann, who didn’t appear to have any connection to the Rennard allegations, even via a constituent, had taken it upon himself to write to the Met to ask them to investigate. He seems to have spotted guarding public morals as a unique selling point/career opportunity, and to be a vigilante on MPs’ expenses. Naughtie asked him the blindingly obvious question – if you heard allegations of this sort of thing involving a figure in your own party, would you be writing to the police just as promptly? Mann, whose tone pretty much defined “holier than thou”, was given three chances to answer but smarmed out of answering directly.
In my personal experience of such things ‘ladies’ seem to respond to advances based largely how likely they are to want to agree to your advance. Back in my 20’s when I was doing the propositioning I appreciate it was a little different. For a start I spent about as much time in the gym as I did the nightclubs, and generally did rather well. (Was Married by 30)
So that got me thinking, what if you’re not an attractive young man but instead a fat old bastard (like I am now incidentally) does that mean you are now precluded from making an advance on the basis that most women will say no? Is there some certain percentage success rate you must be achieving to qualify to be a propositioner?
But then I stop to think about how you make your proposition. Even in my rampant phase did I ever once touch a girl without her permission. Ok never formal permission (Madame, do you herby consent to holding hands?….sign here), but only after enough eye contact, body language and conversation having already taken place that it was an absolute certainty that a hand on the shoulder would very welcome. What I never did was put a hand on a bottom, or anywhere else whilst the object of my affections was reaching for a tin of beans on the top shelf of the supermarket or looking out the window in a shared office.
Indeed, if I were to get back in the game today (much to the annoyance of the wife I guess) and I wanted ‘a piece of’ a female colleague I certainly would not lay a hand on them uninvited. I would complement them and then invite them for something, something along the lines of “Ms Raccon, your looking very nice today…[pause for acknowledgement] … care to join me for a drink after work, just the two if us”. Its obvious what your getting at and its also dead easy for her to accept or reject in a way that causes no-one to lose face “I would love to but already have plans”, and if she is actually interested it will be swiftly followed by “but I could on Thursday”.
So I suppose for me at least there is a world of difference in how the Lord Rennard did his propositioning. If he made an advance along the lines of politely stating an interest and these women are complaining about that then these wimmen are far too bloody precious and should get over themselves.
However if he did the propositioning with a hand on the ass, then he bloody well deserves to get BBQ’d.
I think you may have to make allowance for the women fluttering their eyes at the [apparently] all-powerful fat bastard, in order to attract his glowing attention. Said fat bastard might then of course misinterpret simple flattery as genuine interest. Pillock.
One piece of history that we should all remind ourselves of is Monica Lewinsky. I wonder if any of the liberal ladies have kept their little black dresses.
To be pedantic, Monica’s was, of course, a blue dress, not that it affects the outcome, so to speak.
One also wonders, how many of the Lib-Dem lady MPs, all of whom have remained suspiciously silent these past few days (Teather, Swinson, Featherstone, etc) and who were selected during the ‘droigt de seigneur’ of Lord Rennard, are now feeling a little ‘exposed’ as to the sordid details of the method of their achieving preferment ?
Oh very clever insinuation Mudplugger, and did make me chuckle.
This particular furore is unusal, led as it is by Liberal Democrat wannabe politicians, activists, all of whom would, one would have thought had sp,e forethought to just what kind of image all of this is projecting of the party.
Clearly, these victims have no particular axe to grind against the party per se, but the timing of this is very unfortunate, with a bye election in the offing. As they are all connected to the party why sit on these allegations until now? What is the purpose behind these mass revelations?
It is fairly evident that there is a growing element within the Liberal Democrats who have been sharpening the knives for Calamity Clegg and he, by return has been revealed to have feet of clay, very far from the assured, confident and well informed young man that won over so many voters at the last General Election. The live television debates portrayed him as having some definite qualities but the reality of Government and the broken promises and various scandals, such as Huhne and now Rennard have, to my mind, ensured that the Liberal Democrats will be anihilated in the next General Election and will return to being a loony half-left wing green party, with no more hope of election to Government than the Green Party themselves.
Very sad. I for one hoped for a radical sea change in British politics, by way of a change from the perpetual Labour/Conservative see-saw…
I was only half-listening to the woman on Radio 4 this morning, but am I right in thinking she said that she rang her dad the morning after these unwanted advances because when something like this happens ‘every girl needs her daddy’?
I was gobsmacked, I keep thinking I must have mis-heard. She was after being selected for a shot at being an MP for god’s sake, not a schoolchild being told her traybakes were not good enough for the Guides fundraiser.
What is wrong with these women? Of course he’s a pretty disgusting sleazebag if it’s true and of course he held immense power over their political futures, but where is their backbone? I have never taken such treatment quietly and neither should they. Why did none of them think to actually ask him the question ‘Are you suggesting that my political future might rest on whether or not I come to your room?’ The best way to proceed in these situations is with honesty and directness, confront them with the reality of what they are doing. And if the answer were in the affirmative then you really do have something to take to a higher authority, if there is one. That she didn’t have a bloody clue how to react with a bit of verve shows she was utterly unsuitable to be a candidate.
I think you are right. The lack of apparent quality of the candidate being interviewed ‘Susan’ was readily apparent, but I think there is far more to it than just sour grapes at lack of selection.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21586756
At least we can be fairly confident that there will be no comment from Edwina Currie on the issue…….
Let us be thanbkful for small mercies.
They aren’t ‘timid’ or ‘fearful’.
Their simply milking the current hysteria around ‘sex crimes’, especially against ‘children’ (doesn’t seem to matter whether they actually were children at the time they say these things happened, no one seems to want to check i.d), for all it’s worth.
They only get ‘outraged’ because they are being indulged and allowed to get ‘outraged’.
I don’t think the makers of the two ITV Exposure shows actually know the meaning of ‘child abuse’.
If what was shown in those two programmes is the worst that goes on in the world (and even that had to be invented and embellished), then what have we got to worry about…?
Of course there are far worse and more important thing’s than that going on in the world…
The mind boggles…
Ironic that the likely next Labour government will have the Home Secretary and the Chancellor of the Exchequer having sex on a regular basis…. allegedly……..
I vaguely recall that when I entered the corporate world back in 1979 it was an accepted tenet amongst the management that if a manager had a liaison with anyone under him [quiet at the back] he was leaving himself open to disciplinary action and active disapproval from those above him, whether she consented or not. If it was a He, then of course it was obviously only rumour and innuendo…….
Such a fuddy-duddy lot we were back then.
“Ironic that the likely next Labour government will have the Home Secretary and the Chancellor of the Exchequer having sex on a regular basis…. allegedly……..
”
Unlikely………their actually married.
“You up for a shag”
That reminds me of that song by Kevin Bloody Wilson on You Tube – ‘Do you f#@k on first dates? ‘.
Glad the comments are still open so I can just add the most hilariously “inappropriate headline” from the press…………..
http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news-headlines/78234/sexpest-claim-lord-encouraged-party-women
Perhaps I am just too old in attitude, but if they had a reasonable amount of self respect, they would only be having sex within marriage. And they would make it clear. Neither my wife nor my mother in law had any problem, but, as my mother in law said, if they would not take “No!” as an answer, it is surprising how effective narrow heels were when I stood on their instep.
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