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	<title>Comments on: Exclusive: Devine&#8217;s Whip &#8211; Why the Smart Money&#8217;s on McAvoy.</title>
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		<title>By: MatthewP</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14666</link>
		<dc:creator>MatthewP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, scrap that. Just realised McAvoy was an opposition whip in the early 1990s.

Game on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, scrap that. Just realised McAvoy was an opposition whip in the early 1990s.</p>
<p>Game on!</p>
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		<title>By: MatthewP</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14665</link>
		<dc:creator>MatthewP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not quite right about Iain Dale witnessing that comment. A few other corrections are due:

1) I witnessed this comment being made by Ken at a talk at Brasenose College, Oxford University. Not the Oxford Union. Dale was not there, although some of us may have conspired to bring it to his attention. If you check Dale&#039;s original blogpost (http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2009/05/ken-livingstone-labour-whips-officially.html) this is made clear.

2) If I remember correctly, Livingstone was referring to the early 1990s, rather than the period during which McAvoy was whip.

So, McAvoy might not be the culprit here. But this doesn&#039;t change the fact that Livingstone&#039;s revelation is remarkable. Why has it not been properly investigated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not quite right about Iain Dale witnessing that comment. A few other corrections are due:</p>
<p>1) I witnessed this comment being made by Ken at a talk at Brasenose College, Oxford University. Not the Oxford Union. Dale was not there, although some of us may have conspired to bring it to his attention. If you check Dale&#8217;s original blogpost (<a href="http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2009/05/ken-livingstone-labour-whips-officially.html" rel="nofollow">http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2009/05/ken-livingstone-labour-whips-officially.html</a>) this is made clear.</p>
<p>2) If I remember correctly, Livingstone was referring to the early 1990s, rather than the period during which McAvoy was whip.</p>
<p>So, McAvoy might not be the culprit here. But this doesn&#8217;t change the fact that Livingstone&#8217;s revelation is remarkable. Why has it not been properly investigated?</p>
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		<title>By: Why Iain Dale deserves a right good fisking &#124; And another thing...</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14659</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Iain Dale deserves a right good fisking &#124; And another thing...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of all, who&#8217;s John Ward? Oh, he&#8217;s a blogger? Well, why didn&#8217;t you say, then? Case [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of all, who&#8217;s John Ward? Oh, he&#8217;s a blogger? Well, why didn&#8217;t you say, then? Case [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Back to the blog with MPs being charged &#124; Anonymong</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14353</link>
		<dc:creator>Back to the blog with MPs being charged &#124; Anonymong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The one thing that is making me suspect that they may actually all be incompetent rather than dishonest is the amazing video of Jim Devine explaining why he shouldn&#8217;t be charged. Also utterly failing to understand the difference between a budget and an allowance and the whole concept of false accounting. But then he does claim it was all OK because a whip told him so. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The one thing that is making me suspect that they may actually all be incompetent rather than dishonest is the amazing video of Jim Devine explaining why he shouldn&#8217;t be charged. Also utterly failing to understand the difference between a budget and an allowance and the whole concept of false accounting. But then he does claim it was all OK because a whip told him so. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vimes</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14121</link>
		<dc:creator>Vimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, some of us inside the McCann forums couldn&#039;t give a toss, either - see bald men, see combs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, some of us inside the McCann forums couldn&#8217;t give a toss, either &#8211; see bald men, see combs.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Raccoon</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14118</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Raccoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laffin Assasin &lt;strong&gt;does not&lt;/strong&gt; &#039;help&#039; me with my blog. Nor have I ever claimed that he &#039;helped&#039; me with this blog. 

Laffin Assasin was allowed to post on this blog so long as he avoided commenting on any McCann threads. He does have other interests in life - politics - and I was quite prepared to let him comment on those matters. He didn&#039;t stick to politics = he is no longer able to post on this blog. I strongly reject any insinuation from you, or anyone else, that anyone connected to the McCann forums plays any part in &#039;helping&#039; me with this blog. 

Thaddeus is the only person who helps with this blog, bless his socks, and he has no connection with, nor interest in, McCann matters. 

Keep your forum squabbles to your own forums, nobody outside of the McCann forums is remotely interested in them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laffin Assasin <strong>does not</strong> &#8216;help&#8217; me with my blog. Nor have I ever claimed that he &#8216;helped&#8217; me with this blog. </p>
<p>Laffin Assasin was allowed to post on this blog so long as he avoided commenting on any McCann threads. He does have other interests in life &#8211; politics &#8211; and I was quite prepared to let him comment on those matters. He didn&#8217;t stick to politics = he is no longer able to post on this blog. I strongly reject any insinuation from you, or anyone else, that anyone connected to the McCann forums plays any part in &#8216;helping&#8217; me with this blog. </p>
<p>Thaddeus is the only person who helps with this blog, bless his socks, and he has no connection with, nor interest in, McCann matters. </p>
<p>Keep your forum squabbles to your own forums, nobody outside of the McCann forums is remotely interested in them.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14114</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anna

I&#039;m being a bit cheeky here as I&#039;m not responding to the article and I certainly don&#039;t expect this post to appear, but I have no other way of contacting you.

When you PMd me on PFA a while back, I was a bit shocked when you said that Laffin Assasin helps you with your blog, but didn&#039;t comment at the time.  I wondered whether you&#039;d chosen wisely.

I&#039;ll let the evidence speak for itself, but here is a link to comment on what LA has actually done to someone on a board that sprang up after 3As closed down.  The thread (eventually) was pulled, but you&#039;ll see from the comment on the PFA thread that it wasn&#039;t pretty:

http://www.pfa2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=5049</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anna</p>
<p>I&#8217;m being a bit cheeky here as I&#8217;m not responding to the article and I certainly don&#8217;t expect this post to appear, but I have no other way of contacting you.</p>
<p>When you PMd me on PFA a while back, I was a bit shocked when you said that Laffin Assasin helps you with your blog, but didn&#8217;t comment at the time.  I wondered whether you&#8217;d chosen wisely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let the evidence speak for itself, but here is a link to comment on what LA has actually done to someone on a board that sprang up after 3As closed down.  The thread (eventually) was pulled, but you&#8217;ll see from the comment on the PFA thread that it wasn&#8217;t pretty:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pfa2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&#038;t=5049" rel="nofollow">http://www.pfa2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&#038;t=5049</a></p>
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		<title>By: Saul</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14039</link>
		<dc:creator>Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid you are flogging a dead horse here. The vast majority of the public just couldn&#039;t give a stuff. As far as they are concerned the expense scandal has just revealed what they all thought was true anyway. That is not to say they shouldn&#039;t have to face the music, but a few token sacrificial lambs will not make much difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid you are flogging a dead horse here. The vast majority of the public just couldn&#8217;t give a stuff. As far as they are concerned the expense scandal has just revealed what they all thought was true anyway. That is not to say they shouldn&#8217;t have to face the music, but a few token sacrificial lambs will not make much difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Cato</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14038</link>
		<dc:creator>Cato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Slogger February 8, 2010 at 12:24

    Cato
    I was going to add a codicil for Iain Dale, but thought better of it.

&#039;I don&#039;t think even that old queen would go there.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Slogger February 8, 2010 at 12:24</p>
<p>    Cato<br />
    I was going to add a codicil for Iain Dale, but thought better of it.</p>
<p>&#8216;I don&#8217;t think even that old queen would go there.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: miss mink</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14037</link>
		<dc:creator>miss mink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ve all been saying &#039;the whip&#039;s made me do it&#039;, typical MP&#039;s always passing the buck, unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions
or decisions - Quango&#039;s !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ve all been saying &#8216;the whip&#8217;s made me do it&#8217;, typical MP&#8217;s always passing the buck, unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions<br />
or decisions &#8211; Quango&#8217;s !</p>
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		<title>By: The Slogger</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14036</link>
		<dc:creator>The Slogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cato
I was going to add a codicil for Iain Dale, but thought better of it

J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cato<br />
I was going to add a codicil for Iain Dale, but thought better of it</p>
<p>J</p>
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		<title>By: Old Slaughter</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14035</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Slaughter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While many would dearly love to finger Chief Whip Nick Brown&quot;

Put me on that list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While many would dearly love to finger Chief Whip Nick Brown&#8221;</p>
<p>Put me on that list.</p>
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		<title>By: Cato</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14031</link>
		<dc:creator>Cato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has to be said that I&#039;d not want to finger Nick Brown in any way, shape, or form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has to be said that I&#8217;d not want to finger Nick Brown in any way, shape, or form.</p>
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		<title>By: Rog</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14030</link>
		<dc:creator>Rog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard Ken Livingstone over the weekend on LBC. He had his guest (Diane Abbott) in for a chat.
Livingstone wants more and more taxes laid on us and Abbott says that now because we have so many Muslims in the Country they must have a say on future foreign policy/wars/trade.
A frightening programme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard Ken Livingstone over the weekend on LBC. He had his guest (Diane Abbott) in for a chat.<br />
Livingstone wants more and more taxes laid on us and Abbott says that now because we have so many Muslims in the Country they must have a say on future foreign policy/wars/trade.<br />
A frightening programme.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria Smudd</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14029</link>
		<dc:creator>Gloria Smudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beat that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beat that!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Raccoon</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/exclusive-devines-whip-why-the-smart-moneys-on-mcavoy/#comment-14028</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Raccoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devine retribution for Devine flagellation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devine retribution for Devine flagellation?</p>
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