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		<title>By: John Pickworth</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/craig-cunningham-debtmanship-man-bites-dog/#comment-13500</link>
		<dc:creator>John Pickworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to back up my earlier comment... 

I agree with what others have said above. These companies use extraordinary measures to collect often quite small debts. They cut no deals, show no favour or make allowances for you while bending the law to breaking point for their own ends. They are parasites, preying hardest on those least able or willing to resist. 

A few years back, a certain very well known software proprietor instigated an action against yours truly. Out of  nowhere and for no reason I found myself up against one of the world&#039;s richest men and his father&#039;s law firm of 1400 lawyers with offices around the world. 

Its the old story of might is right. And in such circumstances, there usually are only two options: I could defend myself by employing my own impressive (and astronomically expensive) legal experts. Or I could concede to the complainant&#039;s demands and roll-over, like so many had done before and sadly will do again in future. 

Instead, I did something very unexpected. I studied the law (well the part relevant to this action) and fought back. I can&#039;t tell you how many candles I burnt in the three months of hostilities, but it was an awful lot. I hardly slept, ate or had any social life.  I spend weeks on research, evidence collection, writing submissions, printing and collating a stack of argument literally two feet high. But it was worth it.

Come the day, they didn&#039;t know what hit them.  I won. 

There was never any doubt that I was in the right and the chancers were just trying their luck.  Why wouldn&#039;t they? The system is rigged in their favour and they have the means in both money and manpower to bring these actions, often quite profitably. In their position I&#039;d probably do the same.

However, its only profitable while the little guy continues to cave in. Resist everything, no matter how trivial and you&#039;ll soon see the pendulum swing away from them.

I didn&#039;t gain anything but my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/03/corbis_wipo_domain/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;good name&lt;/a&gt;  and a wealth of experience that has served me well since. I was interviewed by the American and British press and German TV, still receive regular invites from lawyers over the pond asking how I managed to beat the biggest of the big but most of all I proved the little guy can win and set a legal precedent too. 

And there&#039;s the moral of the story.  Its not about whether its right to fight back, using if necessary the same legal system being used against you, but that YOU can and SHOULD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to back up my earlier comment&#8230; </p>
<p>I agree with what others have said above. These companies use extraordinary measures to collect often quite small debts. They cut no deals, show no favour or make allowances for you while bending the law to breaking point for their own ends. They are parasites, preying hardest on those least able or willing to resist. </p>
<p>A few years back, a certain very well known software proprietor instigated an action against yours truly. Out of  nowhere and for no reason I found myself up against one of the world&#8217;s richest men and his father&#8217;s law firm of 1400 lawyers with offices around the world. </p>
<p>Its the old story of might is right. And in such circumstances, there usually are only two options: I could defend myself by employing my own impressive (and astronomically expensive) legal experts. Or I could concede to the complainant&#8217;s demands and roll-over, like so many had done before and sadly will do again in future. </p>
<p>Instead, I did something very unexpected. I studied the law (well the part relevant to this action) and fought back. I can&#8217;t tell you how many candles I burnt in the three months of hostilities, but it was an awful lot. I hardly slept, ate or had any social life.  I spend weeks on research, evidence collection, writing submissions, printing and collating a stack of argument literally two feet high. But it was worth it.</p>
<p>Come the day, they didn&#8217;t know what hit them.  I won. </p>
<p>There was never any doubt that I was in the right and the chancers were just trying their luck.  Why wouldn&#8217;t they? The system is rigged in their favour and they have the means in both money and manpower to bring these actions, often quite profitably. In their position I&#8217;d probably do the same.</p>
<p>However, its only profitable while the little guy continues to cave in. Resist everything, no matter how trivial and you&#8217;ll soon see the pendulum swing away from them.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t gain anything but my <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/03/corbis_wipo_domain/" rel="nofollow">good name</a>  and a wealth of experience that has served me well since. I was interviewed by the American and British press and German TV, still receive regular invites from lawyers over the pond asking how I managed to beat the biggest of the big but most of all I proved the little guy can win and set a legal precedent too. </p>
<p>And there&#8217;s the moral of the story.  Its not about whether its right to fight back, using if necessary the same legal system being used against you, but that YOU can and SHOULD.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Collyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Collyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nannyknowsbest in this case doesn&#039;t know best.

First of all, most debt contracts expressly include a clause allowing the lender to sell the debt on.

Second, banks do NOT lend you &quot;your own money&quot;. They lend you someone else&#039;s. That someone else has deposited their money in the bank (i.e. lent it to the bank) in the knowledge that this is what the bank will do with the money. The bank pays interest on the deposit, and takes a higher level of interest on the loan. The difference pays their costs and their profit. Every defaulter represents a big loss for the bank, which they have to pass on to their other customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nannyknowsbest in this case doesn&#8217;t know best.</p>
<p>First of all, most debt contracts expressly include a clause allowing the lender to sell the debt on.</p>
<p>Second, banks do NOT lend you &#8220;your own money&#8221;. They lend you someone else&#8217;s. That someone else has deposited their money in the bank (i.e. lent it to the bank) in the knowledge that this is what the bank will do with the money. The bank pays interest on the deposit, and takes a higher level of interest on the loan. The difference pays their costs and their profit. Every defaulter represents a big loss for the bank, which they have to pass on to their other customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Nannyknowsbest</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/craig-cunningham-debtmanship-man-bites-dog/#comment-13494</link>
		<dc:creator>Nannyknowsbest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Works more or less the same in the UK.
No matter the circumstances of how a debt was incurred, the laws of contract still apply (otherwise they can not demand repayment - it&#039;s a 2 way street). Laws must (and will) be applied in a civilised society and so many &quot;lenders&quot; sell the debts off to third parties. Unless one has entered into a contract with the third party involved, they have no lawful claim on the original debt. If they have paid off one&#039;s debt, then (as I have) simply write them a letter of thanks (in response to their demand for money) and request a copy of the signed contract that you have with THEM (not the original company - they have been paid). Naturally, no such contract exists and, in those circumstances, no matter what they wish to think, merely because they have, on one&#039;s behalf (and without being asked) settled the debt, unless they can produce a signed contract between you and THEM (the original contract is void - as it has been settled) - they can, to put it bluntly, bugger off.
They buy these debts at around 1 to 5% of the value - and then try and recover 100% of the original debt. 9 times out of 10, people get so scared (as they are NOT nice people) and pay up (or pay most of it). In fact, they can simply tell them to piss off and send them a letter of thanks for settling the original contract.
They don&#039;t like it and send you lots of letters with lots of red ink but, at the end of the day, so long as you explain the law to them (in the correct words - so you don&#039;t imply a contract), they are totally powerless to do anything. They work on the fact that most people will &quot;fall for the scam&quot; and pay up. Trust me, they don&#039;t like it when they are asked for a copy of the contract (as I have many times now). So long as you explain that, should they send someone to make a &quot;doorstep&quot; collection (and explain the fact that you have the right to demand that they do not) that you will call the police and sue whoever they send, they decide to go away and irritate some more gullible fool.
To do this needs a working knowledge of one&#039;s rights, the nerve to do it and the knowledge of how to phrase the &quot;rebuttal&quot; letters (templates are available on the Internet) and, so long as you stick to the lawful way and keep your nerve, these idiots will, on every occasion, simple write you off as too difficult and unprofitable to pursue.
If this sound harsh against credit providers, just remember, if you default, they will not lose a SINGLE penny - they will still actually make a profit (on what you have paid in the past) - as they risked not a penny of their own money - what they &quot;lent&quot; to you was yours in the first place and they jot only charge you interest, but they also want YOUR money back as well.
No wonder banks are so rich. They lend you your own money (they create it backed against YOUR credit note), charge you interest on it and then demand back your own money.
Have NO sympathy. Demand what is yours and stand up to the bully boys they employ to remove your lawful rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Works more or less the same in the UK.<br />
No matter the circumstances of how a debt was incurred, the laws of contract still apply (otherwise they can not demand repayment &#8211; it&#8217;s a 2 way street). Laws must (and will) be applied in a civilised society and so many &#8220;lenders&#8221; sell the debts off to third parties. Unless one has entered into a contract with the third party involved, they have no lawful claim on the original debt. If they have paid off one&#8217;s debt, then (as I have) simply write them a letter of thanks (in response to their demand for money) and request a copy of the signed contract that you have with THEM (not the original company &#8211; they have been paid). Naturally, no such contract exists and, in those circumstances, no matter what they wish to think, merely because they have, on one&#8217;s behalf (and without being asked) settled the debt, unless they can produce a signed contract between you and THEM (the original contract is void &#8211; as it has been settled) &#8211; they can, to put it bluntly, bugger off.<br />
They buy these debts at around 1 to 5% of the value &#8211; and then try and recover 100% of the original debt. 9 times out of 10, people get so scared (as they are NOT nice people) and pay up (or pay most of it). In fact, they can simply tell them to piss off and send them a letter of thanks for settling the original contract.<br />
They don&#8217;t like it and send you lots of letters with lots of red ink but, at the end of the day, so long as you explain the law to them (in the correct words &#8211; so you don&#8217;t imply a contract), they are totally powerless to do anything. They work on the fact that most people will &#8220;fall for the scam&#8221; and pay up. Trust me, they don&#8217;t like it when they are asked for a copy of the contract (as I have many times now). So long as you explain that, should they send someone to make a &#8220;doorstep&#8221; collection (and explain the fact that you have the right to demand that they do not) that you will call the police and sue whoever they send, they decide to go away and irritate some more gullible fool.<br />
To do this needs a working knowledge of one&#8217;s rights, the nerve to do it and the knowledge of how to phrase the &#8220;rebuttal&#8221; letters (templates are available on the Internet) and, so long as you stick to the lawful way and keep your nerve, these idiots will, on every occasion, simple write you off as too difficult and unprofitable to pursue.<br />
If this sound harsh against credit providers, just remember, if you default, they will not lose a SINGLE penny &#8211; they will still actually make a profit (on what you have paid in the past) &#8211; as they risked not a penny of their own money &#8211; what they &#8220;lent&#8221; to you was yours in the first place and they jot only charge you interest, but they also want YOUR money back as well.<br />
No wonder banks are so rich. They lend you your own money (they create it backed against YOUR credit note), charge you interest on it and then demand back your own money.<br />
Have NO sympathy. Demand what is yours and stand up to the bully boys they employ to remove your lawful rights.</p>
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		<title>By: The Slogger</title>
		<link>http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/craig-cunningham-debtmanship-man-bites-dog/#comment-13486</link>
		<dc:creator>The Slogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hard to come down from this fence...plagues, houses etc etc. Just one short anecdote.
I have two young chums with 3 kids in bother right now. The hubby discovered his boss was on the take. Hubby took long weekend off and came back Tuesday to discover he&#039;d f**ked up </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to come down from this fence&#8230;plagues, houses etc etc. Just one short anecdote.<br />
I have two young chums with 3 kids in bother right now. The hubby discovered his boss was on the take. Hubby took long weekend off and came back Tuesday to discover he&#8217;d f**ked up</p>
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		<title>By: T. P. Fuller</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. P. Fuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, yes and no. Yes he is a parasite, but he is also using to his own advantage the system devised by The Man so, no, he&#039;s not a tw@t. Or if he is, he&#039;s an intelligent and resourceful one.

Knowledge is power. Would that more of us knew how the system worked. Then it wouldn&#039;t be so one-sided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, yes and no. Yes he is a parasite, but he is also using to his own advantage the system devised by The Man so, no, he&#8217;s not a tw@t. Or if he is, he&#8217;s an intelligent and resourceful one.</p>
<p>Knowledge is power. Would that more of us knew how the system worked. Then it wouldn&#8217;t be so one-sided.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a scum bag.  Borrows money buying properties renting them out mainly to the poor (he&#039;s one of the BTL&#039;ers mainly responsible for causing the property price explosion and pricing out the people he rents to).  Then when he can&#039;t pay he decides he&#039;s too good for the system.  What an absolute tw@t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a scum bag.  Borrows money buying properties renting them out mainly to the poor (he&#8217;s one of the BTL&#8217;ers mainly responsible for causing the property price explosion and pricing out the people he rents to).  Then when he can&#8217;t pay he decides he&#8217;s too good for the system.  What an absolute tw@t.</p>
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		<title>By: John Pickworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Pickworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The man&#039;s a hero in my book. Good for him.</description>
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